Re: Proposed Charter for OASIS Web Services Basic and Reliable Secure Profiles (WS-BRSP) Technical Committee

[Jeff Mischkinsky <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>]

Ram,
It's different work, different forum - and i would question whether  
RAND for something as fundamental as basic profiles is appropriate.
One *might* have been able to argue the case 10 years when ws-i was  
founded by MS and IBM, but its a different world.
You haven't explained what the complications are - just asserted its  
working fine, so why change.
Does Microsoft have a problem ensuring that the work done by this TC  
be under the non-assert mode.
cheers,
  jeff

On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Ram Jeyaraman wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> The complications are as noted in my email - that using the Non- 
> Assert Mode would mean that the work in OASIS would be attached to  
> the existing work on different legal terms from the original. Since  
> the WS-I commitments appear to be working fine, I don't see why we  
> would create problems unnecessarily.
>
> Please let me know if you still have questions, as I agree that we  
> can resolve issues in parallel.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:28 AM
> To: Ram Jeyaraman
> Cc: ws-i-ms@lists.oasis-open.org Section
> Subject: Re: Proposed Charter for OASIS Web Services Basic and  
> Reliable Secure Profiles (WS-BRSP) Technical Committee
>
> hi ram,
> Would you please explain what you mean when u say that we will have  
> counsel discussing rather than having the work moving forward.
>
> It takes  5 individuals from 2 OASIS organizational members to  
> propose a charter which kicks off a 30 day discussion period. I'm  
> guessing its going to be another 2 months before we get to a Call  
> for Participation. So if you think the IPR mode needs to be  
> discussed, then that can certainly go in parallel.
>
> Please explain the complications that will arise, so that we can  
> discuss them.
>   So far I haven't heard of any complications.
> cheers,
> jeff
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Ram Jeyaraman wrote:
>
>> Dear WS-I Member Section Steering Committee members,
>>
>> I reviewed the proposed Charter (attached) for Basic Profiles (1.1,
>> 1.2, and 2.0) and Reliable Secure Profile (1.0) and would like to  
>> flag
>> one concern regarding compatibility with existing WS-I works.
>>
>> The WS-I Deliverables were developed under the WS-I governance
>> documents[1], which used a standard "RAND" commitment from the
>> participants[2]. The draft Charter[3], however, specifies the OASIS
>> Non-Assert Mode for the continuing work, which means that the
>> continuing work in OASIS would be appended to the existing work on
>> different legal terms from the original. In maintenance mode there  
>> are
>> usually fewer concerns about intellectual property than with full
>> specifications, but it still makes no sense to break the WS-I terms.
>>
>> It would be better, I think, to maintain the consistency; I am not
>> aware of any problems or objections of any kind to the IPR mode that
>> applies to WS-I deliverables, and I am concerned that using the OASIS
>> Non-Assert when WS-I was using RAND will create unnecessary problems.
>> If we change the IPR mode at this point, we'll have counsel  
>> discussing
>> IPR modes when it would be better simply to keep the work moving
>> forward. It would be much simpler, and it will avoid unnecessary
>> complications, if we apply the same IPR terms to the new work as to
>> the existing work. The OASIS mode that appears to do this best is
>> RAND.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [1] http://www.ws-i.org/about/governance.aspx
>> [2] http://www.ws-i.org/docs/Membership/20040505.WS-IIPRAgreement.pdf
>> [3] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-i-ms/201103/msg00009.html
>> <WS-I BP-RSP Charter 03-26-2011.pdf>
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Jeff Mischkinsky			          		jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com
Sr. Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware 				+1(650)506-1975
	and Web Services Standards           			500 Oracle Parkway, M/S 2OP9
Oracle								Redwood Shores, CA 94065