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Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
Please please do not forget to do the trick on generating diffs (i.e. accept all changes first before you do the diff with the previous version and regenerate the page numbers) Thanks, --umit > -----Original Message----- > From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com] > Sent: Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 4:46 PM > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; Patil, Sanjay; Marc Goodner; > James Bryce Clark; paul@wso2.com > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > I agree with Marc and Sanjay that we aren't really doing anybody a > service by providing them with a place to post comments that > we have no > intention of reading. > > Unless I hear some really strident objections, I'll put the latest > versions of the CDs (the ones that I sent out today) up along > with diffs > from the submission documents up on the main TC page tomorrow. Someone > (I don't know who) will need to create the links from > http://docs.oasis-open.org. > > - g > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:01 PM > > To: 'Patil, Sanjay'; 'Marc Goodner'; 'James Bryce Clark'; > > paul@wso2.com > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > Hi Sanjay, > > > > Just an FYI regarding the comment archives. The comment > > link isn't broken; the archive page isn't actually created > > until the first comment is submitted. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:48 PM > > > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; Marc Goodner; James Bryce Clark; > > > paul@wso2.com > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > > > > > > Although some early feedback from public on the CD may > not hurt, it > > > would mean that we have to ensure that the web form and > the mailing > > > list are working correctly. I had quickly tried the link > for pubilc > > > comments on the TC public page > > > (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-rx-comment/) and > > this link is > > > currently broken. So either we can try to address these > > > infrastructural issues now or address them when we really have to > > > (during Committee Specification phase). I prefer the > later. We have > > > enough things to worry about for now :) > > > > > > About the link to errata, what we have recently voted on is > > an interim > > > CD and any errata related to that would take the form of > either an > > > editor AI or a specific TC issue. We don't want to > > introduce another > > > way of tracking the specification changes at this point of time. > > > > > > So in essence, although I agree with the spirit of leaving the > > > template text unchanged, I think it introduces more > > variables for us > > > now than what we want to. So I suggest that we use the > adapted text > > > for now. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 15:20 PM > > > > To: 'Marc Goodner'; Patil, Sanjay; 'James Bryce Clark'; > > > paul@wso2.com > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I had sent previous communications to Marc and Jamie; my > > > apologies > > > > for not copying the group. > > > > > > > > First, let me apologize for any confusion TC editors had > > > in locating > > > > the current templates. They are found at > > > docs.oasis-open.org/templates > > > > and exist in 3 flavors: > > > > Microsoft Office Word, OpenOfficeOrg Writer, and XHTML. > > > > > > > > Beyond that, let me also say up front that TC > > Administration does > > > > not officially get involved in reviewing specifications > > > until they are > > > > submitted for public review. At that time the documents are > > > checked to > > > > make sure that they are in accordance with the current > TC Process > > > > policy. These documents are not yet at that stage; > > > therefore my only > > > > concern at this point is to make sure that the editors > > are aware of > > > > the proper location of the templates and to address any > > > questions or > > > > misunderstandings regarding their use. > > > > > > > > > > > > The templates at the above location are those created in > > > conjunction > > > > with the OASIS Technical Advisory Board late last summer > > > (2004). They > > > > were submitted to the chairs list for review and input was > > > > incorporated before final publication. After some > > conversations the > > > > past couple of weeks regarding the official notices text, we > > > > determined that it would be best to have unique templates > > > based on the > > > > particular IPR Policy the under which a TC was working. I > > > created two > > > > versions for each template: one with the legacy IPR > Policy notice > > > > text, and another with the > > > > 4-15-05 IPR Policy notice text. > > > > > > > > Regarding the mention of the public comment list: this list > > > is always > > > > available on each TC's public home page; the public is > > > always welcome > > > > to provide input or ask questions. Any comments > received during a > > > > public review must be accounted for. They must be logged in > > > some form > > > > and their disposition recorded. Comments received during > > any other > > > > time do not have this burden, although most TCs do > > respond to such > > > > comments. I believe that the TC chair(s) are automatically > > > subscribed > > > > to the comment list but will verify that with our IT dept. > > > The link is > > > > there merely to provide easy access should a reader wish > > to provide > > > > input or ask questions, remembering that all TC documents > > > are always > > > > publicly viewable. If you feel that the current wording > could be > > > > improved upon, please send any suggestions to me and I will > > > forward to > > > > the TAB Quality subcommittee for consideration. > > > > > > > > Regarding the mention of errata: typically when a document is > > > > published it is intended to be 100% accurate, without error or > > > > omission. Reality is that sometimes errata must be created. > > > > The mention of the location of the errata is not to imply > > > that errata > > > > exist; only to let the reader know where they can find any > > > errata that > > > > might be created in the future. Again, if you feel that > > the current > > > > wording courld be improved upon, please send any > > > suggestions to me and > > > > I will forward to the TAB Quality subcommittee for > consideration. > > > > > > > > Again, my apologize for the confusion, and will work with > > > IT to try > > > > to make the pages more visible. We're also working on > > > getting the TC > > > > guidelines rewritten; when we updated the TC Process > > Policy earlier > > > > this year the existing information became obsolete. And > > once again, > > > > please note that it typically isn't until the TC requests > > a public > > > > review that TC Admin gets involved in actually reviewing the > > > > documents, unless requested to do so by the TC. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Mary P McRae > > > > OASIS > > > > Manager of TC Administration > > > > email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > > web: www.oasis-open.org > > > > phone: 603.232.9090 > > > > cell: 603.557.7985 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:48 PM > > > > > To: Patil, Sanjay; James Bryce Clark; paul@wso2.com > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; > > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > > > > > > > I'm happy with that. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:06 PM > > > > > To: James Bryce Clark; Marc Goodner; paul@wso2.com > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; > > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we have to nail down the issue of status text > > > rather quickly > > > > > before the links for CD I are published. > > > > > > > > > > How about removing the text that refers to the public > > > > comments mailing > > > > > list, web form, errata page, etc. I don't see very > many issues > > > > > with the rest of the status text. Here is the cut-paste of the > > > > edited text for > > > > > your quick reference. Please chime in and raise your > opinion if > > > > > you are ok with this text. If there are no concerns, I > > propose to > > > > include this > > > > > in the CD I revs. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---------- > > > > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > This document was last revised or approved by the OASIS > > WS-RX TC > > > > > on the above date. The level of approval is also > listed above. > > > > > Check the current location noted above for possible later > > > > > revisions of this document. > > > > > > > > > > For information on whether any patents have been disclosed > > > > that may be > > > > > essential to implementing this specification, and any > > > > offers of patent > > > > > licensing terms, please refer to the Intellectual > > Property Rights > > > > > section of the Technical Committee web page > > > > > (www.oasis-open.org/committees/[TC short name] /ipr.php. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---------- > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: James Bryce Clark [mailto:jamie.clark@oasis-open.org] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 16:51 PM > > > > > > To: mgoodner@microsoft.com; Patil, Sanjay; paul@wso2.com > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; > > > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > > > > > > > > > Please keep my colleague Mary McRae in the > loop on this > > > > > > feedback, as she is in charge of the templates and > > (when a spec > > > > > > reaches a higher level of approval) compliance with them. > > > > > > Copying her here. I will share my take on these > issues with > > > > > > her, and ask her to work them out with the committee. > > Regards > > > > > > JBC > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:13 PM 10/28/2005, Marc Goodner wrote: > > > > > > >Ive looked into this further and have also determined that > > > > > > the boilerplate > > > > > > >is exceptionally dated. The instructions there are from > > > > > > 2002/3 so can not > > > > > > >possibly reflect current realities at OASIS since the > > > > > > updated process > > > > > > >policy and IPR changes. As a very relevant > example, the text > > > > > > and link > > > > > > >regarding comments should only apply to a Public Review > > > > > > Draft according to > > > > > > >the OASIS process, not any CD. The boilerplate is in error > > > > > > and should be > > > > > > >corrected. > > > > > > >In the end I believe the TC should follow the intent of the > > > > > > OASIS Process, > > > > > > >instead of incorrect and outdated boilerplate material, and > > > > > > remove these links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > > > > > > >>Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:57 AM > > > > > > >>To: Marc Goodner; Paul Fremantle; James Bryce Clark > > > > > > >>Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > > > >>Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>+1 > > > > > > >>We should adapt the boiler plate to reflects our > realities. > > > > > > >>Thanks, > > > > > > >>Sanjay > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] > > > > > > >>>Sent: Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 22:13 PM > > > > > > >>>To: Paul Fremantle; Patil, Sanjay; James Bryce Clark > > > > > > >>>Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > > > >>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01 > > > > > > >>>Importance: High > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>The boilerplate being used for the cover page of this CD > > > > > > is wrong. There > > > > > > >>>is information there that is inaccurate and in my opinion > > > > > > misleading. It > > > > > > >>>should not be applied on the grounds that it is in > > the OASIS > > > > > > >>>templates/samples and in other TC CDs. > > > > > > >>>The primary problem is the public review link. The TC did > > > > > > not approve > > > > > > >>>this CD for public review. That link simply should not be > > > > > > in this CD. > > > > > > >>>I specifically asked if this was a public review and was > > > > > > repeatedly told > > > > > > >>>no. It has been emphasized on our calls that this was not > > > > > > going to be up > > > > > > >>>for public review. Insisting on this link because it is > > > > > > part of the > > > > > > >>>boilerplate seems wrong to me. I dont think any editorial > > > > > > comment about > > > > > > >>>that link not being monitored or the TC not accepting > > > > > > public comment at > > > > > > >>>this time could be strong enough. Why would you give > > > > > > someone the link if > > > > > > >>>they are not supposed to use it? It certainly > implies that > > > > > > the TC will > > > > > > >>>be taking comments on this CD at some point in time which > > > > > > is contrary to > > > > > > >>>the direction we were given. > > > > > > >>>Furthermore the comment form does not seem like it should > > > > > > be there if > > > > > > >>>the TC has not released a CD for public review yet. > > > > > > Currently the form > > > > > > >>>seems to be active but the links to the archive itself do > > > > > > not function. > > > > > > >>>Who even monitors mail sent to this alias? > > > > > > >>>I am less concerned about the errata link. Again > though, I > > > > > > just dont > > > > > > >>>understand why we would put boilerplate text with a link > > > > > > to a document > > > > > > >>>we never intend to produce in a CD. > > > > > > >>>Look, boilerplate is boilerplate. Why are we insisting on > > > > > > inserting > > > > > > >>>information into our first CD that is wrong because it is > > > > > > part of a > > > > > > >>>template. If it doesnt apply it doesnt apply. Strike it. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>Wsrm: > > > > > > >>>Remove this text from lines 36 38: > > > > > > >>>Others should use the comment form at > http://www.oasisopen. > > > > > > >>>org/committees/comments/form.php?wg_abbrev=ws-rx. [ed. > > > > > > note - Comments > > > > > > >>>are not being accepted at this time.] > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>Remove lines 43 45 > > > > > > >>>If necessary, the errata page for this version of of the > > > > > > specification > > > > > > >>>will be located at > > > > > > > >>>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ws-rx/documents/errata > > > > > > /1.1/index.html. > > > > > > >>>[ed. note > > > > > > >>>There is no errata at this time.] > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>* * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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