RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01

[Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>]

Hi again,

  Similar to the issues list, if you want to place the documents at docs.oasis-open.org you need to zip them up and send them, along
with instructions, to support@oasis-open.org. Sharon (our webmaster) will then get them uploaded to the server. We hope to have this
become self-serve by the end of the year. 

Regards,

Mary 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:46 PM
> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; Patil, Sanjay; Marc Goodner; 
> James Bryce Clark; paul@wso2.com
> Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> 
> I agree with Marc and Sanjay that we aren't really doing 
> anybody a service by providing them with a place to post 
> comments that we have no intention of reading.
> 
> Unless I hear some really strident objections, I'll put the 
> latest versions of the CDs (the ones that I sent out today) 
> up along with diffs from the submission documents up on the 
> main TC page tomorrow. Someone (I don't know who) will need 
> to create the links from http://docs.oasis-open.org.
> 
> - g
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:01 PM
> > To: 'Patil, Sanjay'; 'Marc Goodner'; 'James Bryce Clark'; 
> > paul@wso2.com
> > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > 
> > Hi Sanjay,
> > 
> >   Just an FYI regarding the comment archives. The comment 
> link isn't 
> > broken; the archive page isn't actually created until the first 
> > comment is submitted.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Mary
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:48 PM
> > > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; Marc Goodner; James Bryce Clark; 
> > > paul@wso2.com
> > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Although some early feedback from public on the CD may 
> not hurt, it 
> > > would mean that we have to ensure that the web form and 
> the mailing 
> > > list are working correctly. I had quickly tried the link 
> for pubilc 
> > > comments on the TC public page
> > > (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-rx-comment/) and
> > this link is
> > > currently broken. So either we can try to address these 
> > > infrastructural issues now or address them when we really have to 
> > > (during Committee Specification phase). I prefer the 
> later. We have 
> > > enough things to worry about for now :)
> > > 
> > > About the link to errata, what we have recently voted on is
> > an interim
> > > CD and any errata related to that would take the form of 
> either an 
> > > editor AI or a specific TC issue. We don't want to
> > introduce another
> > > way of tracking the specification changes at this point of time.
> > > 
> > > So in essence, although I agree with the spirit of leaving the 
> > > template text unchanged, I think it introduces more
> > variables for us
> > > now than what we want to. So I suggest that we use the 
> adapted text 
> > > for now.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Sanjay
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 15:20 PM
> > > > To: 'Marc Goodner'; Patil, Sanjay; 'James Bryce Clark';
> > > paul@wso2.com
> > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > > > 
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > >   I had sent previous communications to Marc and Jamie; my
> > > apologies
> > > > for not copying the group.
> > > > 
> > > >   First, let me apologize for any confusion TC editors had
> > > in locating
> > > > the current templates. They are found at
> > > docs.oasis-open.org/templates
> > > > and exist in 3 flavors:
> > > > Microsoft Office Word, OpenOfficeOrg Writer, and XHTML. 
> > > > 
> > > >   Beyond that, let me also say up front that TC
> > Administration does
> > > > not officially get involved in reviewing specifications
> > > until they are
> > > > submitted for public review. At that time the documents are
> > > checked to
> > > > make sure that they are in accordance with the current 
> TC Process 
> > > > policy. These documents are not yet at that stage;
> > > therefore my only
> > > > concern at this point is to make sure that the editors
> > are aware of
> > > > the proper location of the templates and to address any
> > > questions or
> > > > misunderstandings regarding their use.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The templates at the above location are those created in
> > > conjunction
> > > > with the OASIS Technical Advisory Board late last summer
> > > (2004). They
> > > > were submitted to the chairs list for review and input was 
> > > > incorporated before final publication. After some
> > conversations the
> > > > past couple of weeks regarding the official notices text, we 
> > > > determined that it would be best to have unique templates
> > > based on the
> > > > particular IPR Policy the under which a TC was working. I
> > > created two
> > > > versions for each template: one with the legacy IPR 
> Policy notice 
> > > > text, and another with the
> > > > 4-15-05 IPR Policy notice text. 
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding the mention of the public comment list: this list
> > > is always
> > > > available on each TC's public home page; the public is
> > > always welcome
> > > > to provide input or ask questions. Any comments 
> received during a 
> > > > public review must be accounted for. They must be logged in
> > > some form
> > > > and their disposition recorded. Comments received during
> > any other
> > > > time do not have this burden, although most TCs do
> > respond to such
> > > > comments. I believe that the TC chair(s) are automatically
> > > subscribed
> > > > to the comment list but will verify that with our IT dept. 
> > > The link is
> > > > there merely to provide easy access should a reader wish
> > to provide
> > > > input or ask questions, remembering that all TC documents
> > > are always
> > > > publicly viewable. If you feel that the current wording 
> could be 
> > > > improved upon, please send any suggestions to me and I will
> > > forward to
> > > > the TAB Quality subcommittee for consideration.
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding the mention of errata: typically when a document is 
> > > > published it is intended to be 100% accurate, without error or 
> > > > omission. Reality is that sometimes errata must be created.
> > > > The mention of the location of the errata is not to imply
> > > that errata
> > > > exist; only to let the reader know where they can find any
> > > errata that
> > > > might be created in the future. Again, if you feel that
> > the current
> > > > wording courld be improved upon, please send any
> > > suggestions to me and
> > > > I will forward to the TAB Quality subcommittee for 
> consideration.
> > > > 
> > > >   Again, my apologize for the confusion, and will work with
> > > IT to try
> > > > to make the pages more visible. We're also working on
> > > getting the TC
> > > > guidelines rewritten; when we updated the TC Process
> > Policy earlier
> > > > this year the existing information became obsolete. And
> > once again,
> > > > please note that it typically isn't until the TC requests
> > a public
> > > > review that TC Admin gets involved in actually reviewing the 
> > > > documents, unless requested to do so by the TC.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Mary
> > > > 
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mary P McRae
> > > > OASIS
> > > > Manager of TC Administration
> > > > email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> > > > web: www.oasis-open.org
> > > > phone: 603.232.9090
> > > > cell: 603.557.7985
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:48 PM
> > > > > To: Patil, Sanjay; James Bryce Clark; paul@wso2.com
> > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org;
> > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm happy with that. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:06 PM
> > > > > To: James Bryce Clark; Marc Goodner; paul@wso2.com
> > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org;
> > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think we have to nail down the issue of status text
> > > rather quickly
> > > > > before the links for CD I are published.
> > > > > 
> > > > > How about removing the text that refers to the public
> > > > comments mailing
> > > > > list, web form, errata page, etc. I don't see very 
> many issues 
> > > > > with the rest of the status text. Here is the cut-paste of the
> > > > edited text for
> > > > > your quick reference. Please chime in and raise your 
> opinion if 
> > > > > you are ok with this text. If there are no concerns, I
> > propose to
> > > > include this
> > > > > in the CD I revs.
> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > -----------------------------------
> > > > > This document was last revised or approved by the OASIS
> > WS-RX TC
> > > > > on the above date. The level of approval is also 
> listed above. 
> > > > > Check the current location noted above for possible later 
> > > > > revisions of this document.
> > > > > 
> > > > > For information on whether any patents have been disclosed
> > > > that may be
> > > > > essential to implementing this specification, and any
> > > > offers of patent
> > > > > licensing terms, please refer to the Intellectual
> > Property Rights
> > > > > section of the Technical Committee web page 
> > > > > (www.oasis-open.org/committees/[TC short name] /ipr.php.
> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Sanjay
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: James Bryce Clark [mailto:jamie.clark@oasis-open.org]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 16:51 PM
> > > > > > To: mgoodner@microsoft.com; Patil, Sanjay; paul@wso2.com
> > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org;
> > > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >      Please keep my colleague Mary McRae in the 
> loop on this 
> > > > > > feedback, as she is in charge of the templates and
> > (when a spec
> > > > > > reaches a higher level of approval) compliance with them.  
> > > > > > Copying her here.  I will share my take on these 
> issues with 
> > > > > > her, and ask her to work them out with the committee.
> >  Regards
> > > > > > JBC
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > At 12:13 PM 10/28/2005, Marc Goodner wrote:
> > > > > > >Ive looked into this further and have also determined that
> > > > > > the boilerplate
> > > > > > >is exceptionally dated. The instructions there are from
> > > > > > 2002/3 so can not
> > > > > > >possibly reflect current realities at OASIS since the
> > > > > > updated process
> > > > > > >policy and IPR changes. As a very relevant 
> example, the text
> > > > > > and link
> > > > > > >regarding comments should only apply to a Public Review
> > > > > > Draft according to
> > > > > > >the OASIS process, not any CD. The boilerplate is in error
> > > > > > and should be
> > > > > > >corrected.
> > > > > > >In the end I believe the TC should follow the intent of the
> > > > > > OASIS Process,
> > > > > > >instead of incorrect and outdated boilerplate material, and
> > > > > > remove these links
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com]
> > > > > > >>Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:57 AM
> > > > > > >>To: Marc Goodner; Paul Fremantle; James Bryce Clark
> > > > > > >>Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > > >>Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>+1
> > > > > > >>We should adapt the boiler plate to reflects our 
> realities.
> > > > > > >>Thanks,
> > > > > > >>Sanjay
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>>From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com]
> > > > > > >>>Sent: Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 22:13 PM
> > > > > > >>>To: Paul Fremantle; Patil, Sanjay; James Bryce Clark
> > > > > > >>>Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > > >>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-01
> > > > > > >>>Importance: High
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>The boilerplate being used for the cover page of this CD
> > > > > > is wrong. There
> > > > > > >>>is information there that is inaccurate and in my opinion
> > > > > > misleading. It
> > > > > > >>>should not be applied on the grounds that it is in
> > the OASIS
> > > > > > >>>templates/samples and in other TC CDs.
> > > > > > >>>The primary problem is the public review link. The TC did
> > > > > > not approve
> > > > > > >>>this CD for public review. That link simply should not be
> > > > > > in this CD.
> > > > > > >>>I specifically asked if this was a public review and was
> > > > > > repeatedly told
> > > > > > >>>no. It has been emphasized on our calls that this was not
> > > > > > going to be up
> > > > > > >>>for public review. Insisting on this link because it is
> > > > > > part of the
> > > > > > >>>boilerplate seems wrong to me. I dont think any editorial
> > > > > > comment about
> > > > > > >>>that link not being monitored or the TC not accepting
> > > > > > public comment at
> > > > > > >>>this time could be strong enough. Why would you give
> > > > > > someone the link if
> > > > > > >>>they are not supposed to use it? It certainly 
> implies that
> > > > > > the TC will
> > > > > > >>>be taking comments on this CD at some point in time which
> > > > > > is contrary to
> > > > > > >>>the direction we were given.
> > > > > > >>>Furthermore the comment form does not seem like it should
> > > > > > be there if
> > > > > > >>>the TC has not released a CD for public review yet. 
> > > > > > Currently the form
> > > > > > >>>seems to be active but the links to the archive itself do
> > > > > > not function. 
> > > > > > >>>Who even monitors mail sent to this alias?
> > > > > > >>>I am less concerned about the errata link. Again 
> though, I
> > > > > > just dont
> > > > > > >>>understand why we would put boilerplate text with a link
> > > > > > to a document
> > > > > > >>>we never intend to produce in a CD.
> > > > > > >>>Look, boilerplate is boilerplate. Why are we insisting on
> > > > > > inserting
> > > > > > >>>information into our first CD that is wrong because it is
> > > > > > part of a
> > > > > > >>>template. If it doesnt apply it doesnt apply. Strike it.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>Wsrm:
> > > > > > >>>Remove this text from lines 36 38:
> > > > > > >>>Others should use the comment form at 
> http://www.oasisopen.
> > > > > > >>>org/committees/comments/form.php?wg_abbrev=ws-rx. [ed. 
> > > > > > note - Comments
> > > > > > >>>are not being accepted at this time.]
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>Remove lines 43 45
> > > > > > >>>If necessary, the errata page for this version of of the
> > > > > > specification
> > > > > > >>>will be located at
> > > > > > 
> >>>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ws-rx/documents/errata
> > > > > > /1.1/index.html. 
> > > > > > >>>[ed. note
> > > > > > >>>There is no errata at this time.]
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>* * *
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > 
> >