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Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Gilbert Pilz wrote: > Robin, > > First thanks to Mary and yourself for working on this. > > I agree with you that the WS-RX public installation is still in the > experimental stage. I've fixed the "important" links in both the wsrm > and wsrmp documents and uploaded them to Kavi: > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.php/ > 16880/wsrm-1.1-rddl-wd-02.html > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.php/ > 16881/wsrmp-1.1-rddl-wd-02.html > > (I'm hoping you have access to the WS-RX Editors pages) > > If you or Mary could upload these pages to docs.oasis-open.org I would > apprecitate it. We will do this. > > As for the desired behavior; one thing I *do* know is that, from a > machine processing perspective, doing an HTTP GET on ".../wsrm/200510" > (no trailing slash, exactly the same as the WS-RM namespace URI) must > return the RDDL document. If this doesn't work, then there isn't much > point in using RDDL. This means that a human also sees the RDDL document > when browsing to the same URI. Absolutely: that's what a namespace document is designed to do, RDDL or otherwise. We will change the implementation, but the effect will be the same, as everyone expects. > As for what a human sees when they browse to ".../wsrm/200510/" > (trailing slash, *not* the WS-RM namespace URI), I think that they > should see the RDDL document as well. I don't really see the need for > humans to be able to see the "directory index" view for this URI. > Everything we want them to see (specs, schema, WSDL, etc.) is linked > from the RDDL doc so, in theory, they shouldn't be missing anything . . > . I think that's a defensible position, especially in the case of /wsrm/200510/ where the directory /200510/ has four user files. We want to also support the scenario where we have: http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601 /* namespace URI */ http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/ /* directory */ http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/a/ http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/b/ http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/c/ http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/d/baz/index.html given than the directory /200601/ might contain the prose-format spec docs, and the /a/ - /d/ directories collectively have 500 files/directories. UBL and DITA TCs have large numbers of files in spec distributions, with deep hierarchy. In this case, some TC might want an index file to live at http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/ Alternately, the better answer might be to use the namespace document at http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601 to document the files and file locations for all versions of the spec which use that namespace. TBD... > > I'll be working on fixing up some of the images etc. and I'll keep you > posted. > > - gp > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robin Cover [mailto:robin@oasis-open.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:31 PM > > To: Marc Goodner > > Cc: Mary McRae; Gilbert Pilz; Robin Cover; > > ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > Gilbert and Marc, > > > > I have answered your request (nominally) to have the server > > treat the following two HTTP scheme URI namespaces as > > dereferenceable to the corresponding RDDL documents that you supplied: > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510 > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200510 > > > > There are a number of other kinks in this CD-02 installation, > > so I think we need to consider it somewhat experimental (ask > > Mary McRae for the Chapter and Verse which allows experimentation). > > > > A number of links in the RDDL documents need to be repaired, > > and I noted at least one mismatch between this install and > > the URIs advertised in the PDF specs (e.g., for /wsrm/ > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-spec-cd-02.pdf > > I read: > > > > "The normative schema for WS-ReliableMessaging can be found at: > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1.xsd " > > > > whereas the install has: > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-schema-2 > 00510.xsd > > > > We could create a symlink to fix this, but I'll refer you to > > Mary McRae for ideal solutions in this case. > > > > The mechanism currently used to force the server to deliver > > RDDL namespace documents (dereferenced namespace URIs) is not > > ideal, and will probably need to be changed: it uses a > > redirect -- actually two redirects, because the first simply > > fixes the slashless directory (from the file system and > > Apache server POV) http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510 > > to be http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/, and the > > second uses an HTTP redirect (meta refresh) to get the RDDL document. > > > > It's slow, and a kludge -- pending use of the server > > directives to establish a proper mapping. > > > > In addition to the latency that comes from redirects, we now > > face the issue that I mentioned some months ago on the WS-RX list: > > > > conflict between the desire to have a namespace URI match a > > directory/folder in which the artifacts are stored: > > > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/ > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-schema-200510.xsd > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-spec-cd-02.pdf > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-wsdl-200510.wsdl > > > > Normally, dereferencing a URI that matches a directory > > (trailing slash or none) gets you an index for the directory; > > if you comandeer (use) the directory as the namespace URI, > > you (may) forfeit the expected behavior, unless you consider > > the RDDL namespace document to BE the index. > > > > We have several solutions (I think), all with positive and > > negative features. If you can explain what you think you > > WANT to happen in (a) and (b), when dereferenced, we'll study > > options at the server > > level: > > > > (a) http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510 > > (b) http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/ > > > > If it's possible to map (a) to your RDDL and (b) to a > > traditional index, that would still be confusing to users, > > potentially... dunno. > > > > As you can see, it's all experimental, including the ad hoc > > index files I created to initially solve the index problem: > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/wsrm-200510-CD02-TOC.html > > visible here: http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/ > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/wsrmp-200510-CD02-TOC.html > > visible here: http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/ > > > > -rcc > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Marc Goodner wrote: > > > > > Robin knows how to setup sym links for that. Basically > > there would be > > > a symlink "file" called index that would point to the RDDL file. > > > That's how we keep the latest link for the issues lists. > > > > > > Marc Goodner > > > Technical Diplomat > > > Microsoft Corporation > > > Tel: (425) 703-1903 > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:50 PM > > > To: 'Gilbert Pilz' > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Robin Cover' > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > Sounds great - but I don't think we can do that right now. > > I think the > > > only way that would work would be to rename the file "index" > > > but I need Robin's confirmation on that. If you have updated files, > > > I'll try to get them uploaded as soon as I can. > > > > > > mary > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:32 PM > > > > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; Robin Cover > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > > > Mary, > > > > > > > > There are a number of problems and most of them are my fault (how > > > > come you never see the obvious stuff until its live?). > > > > The one thing I was wondering if you could do anything > > about is to > > > > make "wsrm-1.1-rddl-cd-02.html" the default page for > > > > "http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rc/wsrm/200510/";? That way > > if anyone > > > > dereferences the namespace URI they will immediately see the RDDL > > > > document. > > > > > > > > - gp > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:16 PM > > > > > To: 'Patil, Sanjay'; 'Marc Goodner'; Gilbert Pilz > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Robin Cover'; 'James > > > > > Bryce Clark' > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > > > > > Please check and make sure the files are working as > > expected ... > > > > > Apparently some portion of the OASIS website header was copied > > > > > into the RDDL files; these aren't working properly. My > > > > suggestion would be > > > > > to just point to the OASIS logo from the templates location > > > > and omit > > > > > the rest of the heading. > > > > > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/OASISLogo.jpg > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:48 PM > > > > > > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; Marc Goodner; Gilbert Pilz > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; Robin Cover; James > > > > > Bryce Clark > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > Would it be possible to upload the WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > today? The > > > > > > weekly meeting for our TC is scheduled for tomorrow and > > > > it would be > > > > > > great to have the CD-02 artifacts published and available > > > > > in advance > > > > > > of the weekly meeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 10:38 AM > > > > > > > To: 'Marc Goodner'; Patil, Sanjay; 'Gilbert Pilz' > > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Robin Cover'; > > > > > 'James Bryce > > > > > > > Clark' > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX > > CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually trying to say that OASIS does *not* have > > > > > > an explicit > > > > > > > policy regarding the reserved use of keywords. I don't > > > > > believe the > > > > > > > issue had ever arisen in the past; staff has submitted > > > > this as an > > > > > > > issue to the Board TC Process Committee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:21 PM > > > > > > > > To: Patil, Sanjay; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; Gilbert Pilz > > > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; Robin Cover; James > > > > > > > Bryce Clark > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 > > > > > > > > artifacts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary, you imply that OASIS does now have some > > > > approved accepted > > > > > > > > policy regarding things like keywords and products. > > > > > > > > I don't think that is correct. If there is an approved > > > > > > policy that > > > > > > > > covers this pleas provide a reference to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Goodner > > > > > > > > Technical Diplomat > > > > > > > > Microsoft Corporation > > > > > > > > Tel: (425) 703-1903 > > > > > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:05 AM > > > > > > > > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; Gilbert Pilz > > > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; Robin Cover; James > > > > > > > Bryce Clark > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 > > > > > > > > artifacts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The use of the date identifier in the URI is a deliberate > > > > > > > decision the > > > > > > > > WS-RX TC made after sweating over a lot of discussions. > > > > > > > > Please note that > > > > > > > > the product version identifiers are part of the artifact > > > > > > names (last > > > > > > > > token in the URI) in our scheme . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I must say that currently we do not much choice and > > > > > > > would strongly > > > > > > > > prefer to keep the format of the URI as suggested in > > > > > > Gil's original > > > > > > > > email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Sanjay > > > > > > > > WS-RX TC Co-Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 7:23 AM > > > > > > > > > To: 'Gilbert Pilz' > > > > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Robin Cover' > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX > > CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gilbert, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies for the delay in responding; I've been > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > research the decision regarding the WS-RX TC's use of > > > > > > > the keyword > > > > > > > > > WSRM. It appears that since we did not have an explicit > > > > > > policy in > > > > > > > > > place reserving the keyword for use only by the WSRM > > > > > > TC, and since > > > > > > > > > the WSRM TC does not call its work product "wsrm", that > > > > > > WS-RX is > > > > > > > > > being allowed to use the WSRM as a product designation. > > > > > > > > There's one > > > > > > > > > other problem however,and that's the use of a date > > > > identifier > > > > > > > > > rather than a version number - The OASIS Library is > > > > > > configured to > > > > > > > > > identify TC work products by version number (i.e. > > > > > > > > > docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/v1.1/). Is it > > > > possible for the > > > > > > > > > editors to reconfigure the documents to match > > that scheme? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com] > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:58 AM > > > > > > > > > > To: Mary McRae > > > > > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; Robin Cover > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any word on the review of the WS-RX CD-02 artifacts? > > > > > > The rest of > > > > > > > > > > the TC is going to want status from me on Thursday so > > > > > > I need to > > > > > > > > > > know what to tell them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - gp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: Robin Cover [mailto:robin@oasis-open.org] > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > To: Gilbert Pilz > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; Mary McRae > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Gilbert Pilz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attached is a zip archive containing the > > > > artifacts that > > > > > > > > > > make up the > > > > > > > > > > > > WX-RX TC's Committee Draft 02. The archive > > > > structure is > > > > > > > > > > > intended for > > > > > > > > > > > > unpacking under > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx. You will > > > > > > > > > > > notice that > > > > > > > > > > > > we have included the RDDL documents > > > > > > > > > > > > "wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-rddl-cd-02.html" and > > > > > > > > > > > > "wsrmp/200510/wsrmp-1.1-rddl-cd-02.html". > > In order > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > things to work > > > > > > > > > > > > as intended these files need to be the > > > > default page for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/"; and > > > > > > > > > > > > "http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200510/"; > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if any of the above is > > unclear or > > > > > > > > there is a > > > > > > > > > > > > problem with organizing the web space in this way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilbert Pilz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gilbert, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm forwarding your request to Mary McRae, > > > > > currently listed > > > > > > > > > > as one of > > > > > > > > > > > the OASIS Staff Contacts for the WS-RX TC, and > > > > responsible > > > > > > > > > > for the QA > > > > > > > > > > > work on approved specs as delegated to the > > > > OASIS TC Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pleased that your TC has decided to use RDDL > > > > > documents: > > > > > > > > > > > it makes a lot of sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on TC progress resulting in these > > > > > > > > > approved CD specs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin Cover > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > _________ > > > > Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may > > > > contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its > > subsidiaries and > > > > affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, > > > > copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended > > solely for > > > > the use of the individual or entity named in this message. 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