RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3

[Doug Davis <dug@us.ibm.com>]

I would have thought that we'd want
a URL that was date-less as well as version-less.  Something like:
        http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm
        http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp
        http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc

That way even if we have a v.Next the
URL would still not need to change.  Mary - is this possible?

thanks
-Doug
______________________________________________________
STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
(919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com

Marc Goodner <mgoodner@microsoft.com>

02/11/2007 10:40 PM

To	Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com>, "mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
cc	Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, "ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org" <ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>, "'Robin Cover'" <robin@oasis-open.org>
Subject	RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3

My reading is that Dug has made all of the requested
changes except one we are still discussing. The open issue is what to use
for the latest link in the doc.

My recommendation is to just use the current namespace. Mary has suggested
a permanent latest URI could be assigned for this use. I'm not inherently
opposed to that but I'd prefer some more discussion before putting it into
practice.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:30 PM
To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
Cc: Marc Goodner; 'Doug Davis'; 'Mary McRae'; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org;
'Robin Cover'
Subject: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3

I'd like to thank Marc, Doug and Mary for all your efforts this weekend.

Can anyone give me a brief status update? I've seen a ton of useful
messages but I haven't quite figured out what is still needed before the
PR.

Thanks
Paul

Mary McRae wrote:
> We can also invent another URI to be used - like
> docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/v1.1/wsrm-v1.1.doc etc. - that way
even
> if the date changes we're still talking about the latest version of
the
> 1.1 spec ...
>
> m
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com]
>     *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:18 PM
>     *To:* Doug Davis; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     *Cc:* 'Mary McRae'; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
>     *Subject:* RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3
>
>     So on 2, yeah we don't have anything like that. I think
the best we
>     can do is a link to the namespace as that could eventually
contain
>     the previous/latest links there. The only other immediate
>     alternative I can think of would be the Public TC page.
>
>
>
>     My vote for now would be to use the namespace. The reason
is that if
>     we progress with the same namespace from this PR, and
I'm pretty
>     hopeful we will, then the CS will be in that location
with a link to
>     the previous CD for the same namespace. That seems to
best satisfy
>     the intent.
>
>
>
>     *From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com]
>     *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:38 PM
>     *To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     *Cc:* 'Mary McRae'; Marc Goodner; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
>     *Subject:* RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3
>
>
>
>
>     1. I'll remove the [insert...] since, as Marc said,
I don't think we
>     have any.
>     2. The guideline says:
>     A bookmarkable, version-agnostic, generic URI serving
as a URI alias
>     which is always associated with the latest/current specification
>     instance, thus having a changing referent; it serves
to identify and
>     directly locate each successive published instance of
a developing
>     specification, through time [Label: Latest Version]
>     Do we have a URL like that?  As far as I know all
of our URLs have
>     dates in them.  Can Oasis assign us a non-dated
set of URLs?
>     3. Done - as much as I could anyway :-)
>
>     Latest zip is here:
>     http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.php/22331/CD05.zip
>
>     (you guys are probably sick of me sending huge zip files)
>     Will replace the individual files in the CD5 folder
once people 'ok'
>     it but I think I still need those static URLs mentioned
in #2.
>
>     thanks
>     -Doug
>     ______________________________________________________
>     STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM
Software Group
>     (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |
 dug@us.ibm.com
>
>     *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>     Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
>
>     02/11/2007 07:54 PM
>
>     Please respond to
>     <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>
>
>
>     To
>
>
>
>     Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, "'Marc Goodner'"
<mgoodner@microsoft.com>
>
>     cc
>
>
>
>     "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>,
>     <ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
>     Subject
>
>
>
>     RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Before you do that ;-)
>
>     1. in all three spec files -- pay attention to the last
para of the
>     Notices section. It refers to OASIS' new Trademark policy.
In the
>     first line you'll see "[insert specific trademarked
names,
>     abbreviations, etc. here]" - any terms that the
TC believes should
>     be trademarked should be listed there and the boilerplate
text removed.
>
>     2. also, for "latest version" the intent is
to use a URI that will
>     always bring up the most recent copy of the spec (see
samples in
>     naming guidelines documents). Oops - just found another
bad link on
>     the templates page.
>     http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/OASISSpecificationTemplateGuidelines.html
>     section 3.4.3 or here:
>     http://docs.oasis-open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#specURIs
>
>
>     3. I apparently also messed up when I created the new
templates for
>     OO (and possibly Word). There were supposed to be two
more
>     categories on the cover page between Editors and Abstract:
>     Related Work
>     and
>     Declared XML Namespaces
>     (can be seen here:
>     http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/OASISSpecificationTemplateV3.0.html)
>
>
>     No penalties for not including #3, but bonus points
awarded if you
>     do ;-)
>
>     I'm going to go watch the Grammys ... I think you guys
have it under
>     control and we'll be all set for announcement tomorrow.
>
>     m
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com] *
>     Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:29 PM*
>     To:* Marc Goodner*
>     Cc:* Mary McRae; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org;
>     ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org*
>     Subject:* RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3
>
>
>     Actually, I was hoping you might be able to generate
new HTML by
>     importing it into Word  :-)
>
>     thanks
>     -Doug
>     ______________________________________________________
>     STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM
Software Group
>     (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |
 dug@us.ibm.com
>
>     *Marc Goodner <mgoodner@microsoft.com>*
>
>     02/11/2007 07:22 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>     To
>
>
>
>     Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, "mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org"
>     <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>
>     cc
>
>
>
>     Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>,
>     "ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org"
>     <ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
>     Subject
>
>
>
>     RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3
>
>
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>
>
>     Thanks for the quick turnaround on the doc Dug.  Mary,
thanks a ton
>     for staying engaged with us over the weekend.
>
>     A quick scan and this looks good to me. It looks like
the correct
>     Notices now, but I defer to Mary on that.
>
>     This one doesn't have the HTML in it. We're we just
going to update
>     the previous generated HTML by hand?
>      *
>     From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com] *
>     Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:17 PM*
>     To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
>     Cc:* Mary McRae; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org*
>     Subject:* RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3
>
>
>     ***********************
>     Warning: Your file, CD05.zip, contains more than 32
files after
>     decompression and cannot be scanned.
>     ***********************
>
>
>
>     ok - let's give this one a try.
>
>
>     thanks
>     -Doug
>     ______________________________________________________
>     STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM
Software Group
>     (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |
 dug@us.ibm.com
>
>     *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>     Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
>
>     02/11/2007 06:05 PM
>
>
>
>     Please respond to
>     <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>     To
>
>
>
>     Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
>
>     cc
>
>
>
>     <ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
>     Subject
>
>
>
>     RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Almost - new Copyright line says:
>     Copyright (c) OASIS(r) 1993-2007. All Rights Reserved.
OASIS trademark,
>     IPR and other policies apply.
>
>     And then you'll need to make sure that it's the same
in both the
>     spec and the schema/wsdl themselves.
>
>     m
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>     *
>     From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com] *
>     Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:03 PM*
>     To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
>     Cc:* ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org*
>     Subject:* [ws-rx-editors] RE: CD5.3*
>     Importance:* High
>
>
>     Mary,
>     am I correct in assuming that if I replace:
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of any
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>     thanks
>     -Doug
>     ______________________________________________________
>     STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM
Software Group
>     (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |
 dug@us.ibm.com
>
>     *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>     Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
>
>     02/11/2007 04:47 PM
>
>
>
>     Please respond to
>     <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     To
>
>
>
>     Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, <ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
>     cc
>
>
>
>     Subject
>
>
>
>     RE: CD5.3
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>     Hi Doug,
>
>     I haven't unzipped yet, but the schema / wsdl *do* need
the Notices
>     section that's inserted as a comment at the beginning
of the files
>     changed from the legacy IPR policy language to the 4-15-2005
policy
>     language ... I'm willing to go the extra mile to get
this out by end
>     of day Monday since you're working hard to get everything
accomplished.
>
>     Mary
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>     *
>     From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com] *
>     Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:26 AM*
>     To:* ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org*
>     Cc:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
>     Subject:* CD5.3*
>     Importance:* High
>
>     ***********************
>     Warning: Your file, CD05.zip, contains more than 32
files after
>     decompression and cannot be scanned.
>     ***********************
>
>
>
>
>
>     Editors:
>     Here's CD5.3 with the changes Mary wanted.  I did
not update the
>     schema/wsdl as that was just a suggestion and I wanted
to keep the
>     diffs as small as possible.
>     Take a look and see if all looks well.
>
>
>     thanks
>     -Doug
>     ______________________________________________________
>     STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM
Software Group
>     (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |
 dug@us.ibm.com
>

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