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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata]


Aha

I think we are getting there. I guess I was assuming that the errata 
would all go in a new directory.

Paul

Mary McRae wrote:
> Hi Paul and Doug,
> 
>   I'm not arguing with you. I'm not asking you to change the namespace 
> itself, only to reflect the name of the new wsdl file (as we have a new 
> spec+errata and errata noted) in the namespace *document*. No document 
> is ever silently replaced; you have changed the wsdl file and therefore 
> it either needs a new name (if going in the same location) or a new 
> location (such as placing in an explicitly-labeled subdir).
> 
> If you had declared a "latest version" URI for the wsdl, you would have 
> a mechanism in place that would allow for updated files but a common 
> point of entry. That mechanism isn't in place and since the current URI 
> holds a fixed version, it can't be changed.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> On Nov 28, 2007 9:23 AM, Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com 
> <mailto:paul@wso2.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Mary
> 
>     I tend to agree with Dug here. We explicitly chose to handle these
>     features as errata because they make no functional change to any system,
>     they simply fix typos in the spec. However, if we change namespaces
>     then
>     that does change the technical behaviour.
> 
>     I think a change to the WSDL to fix a bug should have the same status as
>     a change to normative text in the body of the spec to fix a bug.
> 
>     Paul
> 
>     Doug Davis wrote:
>      >
>      > Does it change anything if you think of the it as fixing a typo
>     rather
>      > than any kind of functional/semantic change?
>      >
>      > thanks
>      > -Doug
>      > ______________________________________________________
>      > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
>      > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |   dug@us.ibm.com
>     <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com>
>      >
>      >
>      > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>*
>      > Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com
>     <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>
>      >
>      > 11/27/2007 11:30 PM
>      > Please respond to
>      > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > To
>      >       Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
>      > cc
>      >       "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com
>     <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>, "'Paul Fremantle'"
>      > <paul@wso2.com <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>, "'Sanjay Patil'"
>     <sanjay.patil@sap.com <mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com>>,
>      > <ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>>, < robin@oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:robin@oasis-open.org>>
>      > Subject
>      >       RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata]
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > Hi Doug,
>      >
>      >     I'm conferring with Robin as to the best way to handle this.
>     Clearly
>      > these WSDL files are different from the previous ones and therefore
>      > silently updating them without any other action would not honor
>     OASIS
>      > policies.
>      >
>      >   The namespace documents should be updated to reflect the new WSDL
>      > files;  as far as any existing application goes they should either
>      > change the reference, or since it isn't substantive, not worry
>     about it.
>      > See the following resources (text below from Robin):
>      >
>      > "Latest Version" URIs for Schemas, WSDLs, RDDLs, and Other
>     Specification
>      > Components"
>      > _http://docs.oasis-
>     open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#latestVersionURIs-schemas_
>     <http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#latestVersionURIs-schemas_>
>      >
>      > with note:
>      > _http://docs.oasis-
>     open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#movingTargetExample_
>     <http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#movingTargetExample_>
>      >
>      >
>      > One of the concerns (the first) was stated as:
>      >    "Clear designation of a "Latest Version" URI as such"
>      >
>      > Example, in the WS-Policy RDDL namespace document, with respect
>     to the
>      > schema:
>      >
>      >     _http://www.w3.org/ns/ws-policy_
>      >
>      >
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>      >
>      >
>      > ******* Latest XML Schema: *********
>      >
>      > The following URI always points to the latest schema
>      > (including errata) for the Web Services Policy 1.5
>      > namespace. The resource at this location may change
>      > as new errata are incorporated.
>      >
>      > _http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/ns/ws-policy_
>      >
>      > ******* This dated version of the XML Schema: *******
>      >
>      > The following URI points to the schema for the Web
>      > Services Policy 1.5 namespace corresponding to the
>      > 2007-09-04 specifications.
>      >
>      > _http://www.w3.org/2007/02/ws-policy.xsd_
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > *From:* Doug Davis [mailto: dug@us.ibm.com <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com>] *
>      > Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:12 AM*
>      > To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
>      > Cc:* Mary McRae; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>; 'Paul Fremantle'; 'Sanjay
>      > Patil'; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org*
>      > Subject:* RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata]
>      >
>      >
>      > Mary,
>      >  I've uploaded a zip file (
>      >
>     http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.php/26228/WSRX%20OS01e1.zip
>      > ) with the erratas (word, pdf and html versions).  I've also
>     placed the
>      > updated wsdl files in there.  Schemas were not changed.  I've
>     held off
>      > including the OS versions for now - just to save time.
>      >
>      > As for updating the wsdl file names - wouldn't this cause a
>     problem if
>      > people have URLs to the existing ones and we want those
>     references to
>      > use the new data?
>      >
>      > thanks
>      > -Doug
>      > ______________________________________________________
>      > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
>      > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |   dug@us.ibm.com
>     <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com>
>      >
>      > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>*
>      > Sent by: Mary McRae < marypmcrae@gmail.com
>     <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>
>      >
>      > 11/26/2007 09:59 PM
>      >
>      >
>      > Please respond to
>      > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > To
>      >       <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>, "'Paul Fremantle'"
>     <paul@wso2.com <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>,
>      > < ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>>, "'Sanjay Patil'"
>      > <sanjay.patil@sap.com <mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com>>
>      > cc
>      >
>      > Subject
>      >       RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata]
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > A couple of other things:
>      >
>      > Wsdl files - are there changes to these files or are they the same as
>      > originally
>      > approved as OS?
>      > (if they are the same, I don't need them; if they are different, they
>      > will need
>      > a new file name and updated namespace documents, etc.)
>      >
>      > Schema files - same as above
>      >
>      > OS versions - These need to be identified as incorporating errata
>     on the
>      > cover,
>      > have new URIs, etc. In reality there is no need to include these
>     in the
>      > PR; this
>      > can be tackled once the errata have been approved post-PR. (they
>     will
>      > get new
>      > status, dates, URIs, etc.) If you *want* to include them in the
>     PR, then the
>      > filenames should somehow indicate that they are cd status (since
>     the TC
>      > doesn't
>      > use subdirs for this purpose) to avoid a naming conflict once
>     approved.
>      >
>      > Thanks!
>      >
>      > Mary
>      >
>      >  > -----Original Message-----
>      >  > From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>]
>      >  > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:47 PM
>      >  > To: 'Paul Fremantle'; 'ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>'; 'Sanjay
>      > Patil'
>      >  > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of
>     Errata]
>      >  >
>      >  > Hi Paul,
>      >  >
>      >  >   Everything looks okay except there are no HTML versions --
>     can you
>      > create
>      >  > those? (instructions here:
>      >  >
>     http://oasistcadmin.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/creating-valid-xhtml-v10-
>      >  > transitional-from-ms-word/)
>      >  >
>      >  > Let me know if you need me to do this.
>      >  >
>      >  > Mary
>      >  >
>      >  > > -----Original Message-----
>      >  > > From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com
>     <mailto:paul@wso2.com>]
>      >  > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:49 AM
>      >  > > To: Mary McRae; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>; Sanjay Patil
>      >  > > Subject: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata]
>      >  > >
>      >  > > Mary
>      >  > >
>      >  > > Any progress?
>      >  > >
>      >  > > Paul
>      >  > >
>      >  > > -------- Original Message --------
>      >  > > Subject: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata
>      >  > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:13:00 +0000
>      >  > > From: Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>
>      >  > > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>      >  > > References: <473DD935.5080804@wso2.com
>     <473DD935.5080804@wso2.com">mailto:473DD935.5080804@wso2.com>>
>      >  > > < 473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com
>     <473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com">mailto:473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com>>
>      >  > >
>      >  > > Its referenced from the vote:
>      >  > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-
>     <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws->
>      >  > > rx/download.php/25955/www.oasis-open.orgappsorgworkgroupws-
>      >  > > rxdownload.php25906WSRX%2520OS01e1.zip
>      >  > >
>      >  > > Paul
>      >  > >
>      >  > > Mary McRae wrote:
>      >  > > > Excellent! Thanks, Paul. Can you send me the doc?
>      >  > > >
>      >  > > > Mary
>      >  > > >
>      >  > > >> -----Original Message-----
>      >  > > >> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto: paul@wso2.com
>     <mailto:paul@wso2.com>]
>      >  > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:54 PM
>      >  > > >> To: tc-admin@oasis-open.org
>     <mailto:tc-admin@oasis-open.org>; Mary McRae; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-
>      >  > > open.org <http://open.org>
>      >  > > >> Subject: Public Review of Errata
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> The WS-RX TC recently voted to approve errata on the 1.1
>     spec.
>      >  > > >>
>      >
>     http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1384
>     <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1384>
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> The next step is to start a 15-day public review, for
>     which we are
>      >  > > >> asking your help.
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> Thanks,
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> Paul
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> --
>      >  > > >> Paul Fremantle
>      >  > > >> Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2
>      >  > > >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> Office: +1 646 290 8050
>      >  > > >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
>      >  > > >> paul@wso2.com <mailto:paul@wso2.com>
>      >  > > >>
>      >  > > >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
>     <http://www.wso2.com>
>      >  > > >
>      >  > > >
>      >  > > >
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>     OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
> 
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