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Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] Fw: [ws-rx] What spec versions should be referencedby the RDDL documents?


On Tue, 6 May 2008, Patil, Sanjay wrote:

>
> I think the RDDL doc should reference the 'OASIS Standard' (or whatever
> happens to be the highest status) and the 'Latest Version' of the
> concerned specifications. Referencing all the spec versions that use a
> namesapce from its RDDL doc might get unwieldy.

"might get unwieldy"

Yeah, I agree: in some cases, that's probably true.

Cheers,

-rcc

>
> -- Sanjay
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robin Cover [mailto:robin@oasis-open.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 19:06 PM
>> To: Doug Davis
>> Cc: ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org; Mary McRae
>> Subject: Re: [ws-rx-editors] Fw: [ws-rx] What spec versions
>> should be referenced by the RDDL documents?
>>
>> Doug... in haste...
>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/rddl.html
>>
>> The RDDL template provides a model for "This version:" and
>> "Previous version:"
>> for the prose spec, schema(s), etc.
>>
>> ==============================================================
>> ==================
>> This version:
>> [link to this version of the specification] (include hyperlink)
>> Previous version:
>> [link to previous version of the specification] (include hyperlink)
>> ==============================================================
>> ==================
>>
>> I'm sure Mary would be happy to discuss changes/improvements
>> to the RDDL model
>> if you'd like to suggest changes.
>>
>> I don't have time to chase down the references just now, but
>> I recall that the
>> W3C RDDL documents and the xmlsoap.org RDDLs both (though not
>> uniformally)
>> make provision for citing multiple spec URIs so as to help the reader
>> identify
>>
>> * the current spec URI
>> * other relevant spec URIs for specs which use the same namespace
>>
>> I think it would be a good idea for a RDDL to provide a list of spec
>> URIs for all versions of the spec which use a given
>> namespace.  Visiting
>> any instance and inspecting the "This", "Latest", "Previous" should
>> produce the chain of URIs, but the RDDL listing could provide a more
>> efficient reference set if it included a URI for each of the specs
>> (to date).
>>
>> Here are a couple (not the best) examples:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/ns/ws-policy/
>> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2004/08/eventing/
>>
>> I'll make a note to discuss this with Mary, as we have time.  She's
>> TC Admin and the template keeper.
>>
>> -rcc
>>
>> Robin Cover
>> OASIS, Chief Information Architect
>> Editor, Cover Pages and XML Daily Newslink
>> http://xml.coverpages.org/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Doug Davis wrote:
>>
>>> The first two issues are kind of interesting. Does anyone
>> know how the use
>>> of RDDL is supposed to work when the docs change over time but their
>>> namespaces don't? How are we supposed to allow people to
>> easily reference
>>> a particular version of the specs when multiple versions
>> use the same
>>> namespace?
>>> Whose idea was it to use RDDL anyway? :-)
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> -Doug
>>> ______________________________________________________
>>> STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
>>> (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
>>> ----- Forwarded by Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM on 05/06/2008
>> 07:55 AM -----
>>>
>>> Peter Niblett <peter_niblett@uk.ibm.com>
>>> 05/02/2008 05:37 AM
>>>
>>> To
>>> ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
>>> cc
>>>
>>> Subject
>>> [ws-rx] What spec versions should be referenced by the RDDL
>> documents?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I was doing Action Item 0143 I took a look at the
>> RDDL documents at
>>>
>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702
>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200702
>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc/200702
>>>
>>> and spotted a number of things that look like problems to me..
>>>
>>> 1. They have all been updated to talk about and point to
>> the CD 01 of the
>>> latest versions of the specs (1.2 in the case of RM and
>> RMP, and 1.1 in
>>> the case of MC). However since the namespace hasn't
>> changed, this means
>>> that we no longer have RDDL documents associated with these
>> namespace that
>>> point to the approved OASIS standard specifications.  Would
>> it not be more
>>> appropriate to keep the RDDL documents pointing at the
>> current standard
>>> until we have standard versions of the new specifications?
>> Apologies if
>>> the TC has already discussed this, and decided to make this
>> update to the
>>> RDDL documents.
>>>
>>> This is particularly noticeable, because the TC home pages
>> (both members
>>> and public) contain links which claim to be for the
>> standard versions of
>>> the specs, but actually take you to these RDDL documents
>> which point to
>>> the new CDs.
>>>
>>> 2. The documents do try and contain a pointer to the
>> previous versions.
>>> However they try to this by including a pointer in the
>> "Related Namespace"
>>> section. Since the namespace hasn't changed, this turns out to be a
>>> self-referencing link.
>>>
>>> For example the last line of  the RM RDDL at
>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702 is " Previous
>>> WS-ReliableMessaging v1.1 namespace:
>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702   "
>>>
>>> (also the link in the MC RDDL implies that the previous
>> version of MC is
>>> 1.1, when in fact it is 1.0)
>>>
>>> 3. The RDDL documents have links to new versions of the
>> Schema and WSDL
>>> files. These new versions are at
>>>
>>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702/wsrm-1.2-schema-2
>> 00702.xsd
>>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702/wsrm-1.2-wsdl-200702.wsdl
>>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc/200702/wsmc-1.1-schema-2
>> 00702.xsd
>>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc/200702/wsmc-1.1-wsdl-200702.wsdl
>>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200702/wsrmp-1.2-schema
>> -200702.xsd
>>>
>>>
>>> However these aren't the files referenced by the CD's
>> currently in public
>>> review. The CD's still reference the RM1.1 Errata 01,
>> RMP1.1 Errata 01,
>>> MC1.0 Errata 01 versions of these files. Moreover the WSDLs
>> in the list
>>> above actually import the Errata01 schemas, not the schemas
>> from the list
>>> above. Given that the only difference between these "new
>> files" and the
>>> Errata01 is one character in the copyright statement,  I would have
>>> thought that the RDDLs should link to the Errata01
>> versions, so that they
>>> reference the same files that are declared as Normative by
>> the new specs
>>> (once the new versions become standard).
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Niblett
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>>> Lead Architect WebSphere Messaging
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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