RE: [ws-rx-editors] rddl files review

["Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>]

Hi Paul!

 Hopefully because you're asking you don't need to worry about it, but then
again, knowing your specs, you probably do and it's a good thing you asked. ;-)

  The rules say that after a vote, the *only* things that can be changed are the
metadata on the cover and running footers. If you have cross-references to, say,
one or two other specifications that will be up for approval at the same time
(or in close proximity) you will want to actually update the reference to those
specifications once the ballots have passed. This rule allows you to do that.

  So, in WS-RM there is a normative reference:
[WS-RM Policy]      OASIS WS-RX Technical Committee Draft, "Web Services
Reliable Messaging Policy Assertion( WS-RM Policy)," February 2008
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/v1.2/wsrmp.pdf

  Similarly, in WS-RMP there is a normative reference:
[WS-RM]                 OASIS WS-RX Technical Committee Draft, "Web Services
Reliable Messaging (WS-ReliableMessaging)," February 2008.
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/v1.2/wsrm.pdf

  And WS-MC cites both WS-RM and WS-RMP.

Note that all three specs will likely progress simultaneously (this is a guess
on my part ;-) and you will, once they have been approved, want to update the
references to each say "Committee Specification" and "July 2008" (or whatever),
but you will be unable to do that unless you invoke this rule. In other words,
you can't call them CS until the vote has actually happened and passed, and you
don't want the new specs to show the old status.

So basically when we run the CS ballots you'll want to include in the motion
reference of the dependencies. I do have some exact language which I will dig up
and forward.

Mary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> Cc: 'Doug Davis'; 'Mary McRae'; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [ws-rx-editors] rddl files review
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> Mary
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> What is a "Designated Cross-Reference Change"?
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> Paul
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> Mary McRae wrote:
> > Excellent J
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> > Just in case you missed the message - which I'm guessing you did since
> > it went to the chairs list and unless that message was passed along you
> > wouldn't've seen it - I'm now making the updates when a document gets to
> > CS or OS so you don't need to be bothered with it:
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> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/chairs/200805/msg00001.html
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> > Of course if you want to do them yourself I'm more than happy to have
> > you continue to do it; just trying to make all our lives a bit easier.
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> > Mary
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> > *From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com]
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2008 9:53 AM
> > *To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> > *Cc:* Mary McRae; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> > *Subject:* RE: [ws-rx-editors] rddl files review
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> > nice catch - assuming I found the right things :-)    I've updated the
> > CD and CS versions in kavi in the editor's playpen.  I'm not going to
> > update the "Latest ZIP." link in the main TC area yet though. since I
> > doubt the TC members will care about that when they have the specs to
> > review.
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> > thanks
> > -Doug
> > ______________________________________________________
> > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
> > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
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> > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
> > Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
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> > 07/14/2008 09:17 AM
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> > Please respond to
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> > Online. Please verify that everything is okay. I found two errors and
> > corrected them, both involving the Normative Reference (first element in
> > boxed area). That's all the hint you're getting. ;-)
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> > Mary
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> > *From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com] *
> > Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2008 10:19 PM*
> > To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
> > Cc:* marypmcrae@gmail.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org;
> > ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org*
> > Subject:* RE: [ws-rx-editors] rddl files review
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> > Can't think of anything needed from the TC so we mght as well upload
> > 'em.  thanks!
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> > thanks
> > -Doug
> > ______________________________________________________
> > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
> > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
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> > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
> > Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
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> > 07/11/2008 10:13 PM
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> > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>, Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS,
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> > OK - I ignored my own advice and looked at them anyway. While I haven't
> > checked each of the links to make sure they resolve to the proper
> > resource, content-wise they appear to be fine. Should I upload and
> > complete testing or do you need to do something TC-wise first?
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> > Mary
> >  *
> > From:* Mary McRae [mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org] *
> > Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2008 10:04 PM*
> > To:* 'Doug Davis'; 'marypmcrae@gmail.com';
> > 'ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org'*
> > Subject:* RE: [ws-rx-editors] rddl files review
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> > Sorry Doug,
> >
> >  I thought I had done this weeks ago. Apparently I can't tell the
> > difference between ws-sx, ws-tx and ws-rx. It's too late tonight for me
> > to look at them and make any reasoned comments but if you don't hear
> > from me by end of day Monday, nag again.
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> > Mary
> >  *
> > From:* Doug Davis [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com] *
> > Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2008 8:59 PM*
> > To:* marypmcrae@gmail.com; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org*
> > Subject:* Re: [ws-rx-editors] rddl files review
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> > ok people!  Don't make me raise my level of nagging - it won't be
> > pretty!  :-)
> > serious - can someone else look these over?  We really need to update
> > our rddl pages.
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> > thanks
> > -Doug
> > ______________________________________________________
> > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
> > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
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> > *Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS*
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> > 06/18/2008 07:34 PM
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> > Mary - did you get a chance to look these over to see if they adhered to
> > the new template properly?
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> > thanks
> > -Doug
> > ______________________________________________________
> > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
> > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
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> > *Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS*
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> > tap tap tap is this thing on?
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> > thanks
> > -Doug
> > ______________________________________________________
> > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
> > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
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> > All,
> > attached are the latest RDDL files - please look them over and see if
> > they look ok.  Please make sure to look at the rddl tags too.
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> > thanks
> > -Doug
> > ______________________________________________________
> > STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
> > (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
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