RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005

[Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>]

Ultimately, it is the TC that has responsibility for approving the 
minutes. If someone
requests a change, and the rest of the TC disagrees with that change 
(revisionist
history), then IMO it should not be made.

Personally, I would tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person to 
whom
scribed notes are attributed. Thus far, I haven't seen any changes 
requested that
are inconsistent with my recollection of what was said on the call.

As long as the requested changes are recorded on the email list, that 
should be
more than adequate as a record of what was changed. If someone chooses to 
take exception to a requested change, they should do so on the list so 
that it can
be discussed and reconciled in accordance to the TC's wishes during the 
approval of the minutes.

Maybe we should all be prefacing our spoken points during a meeting with: 
"permission
to revise and extend my remarks for the record?" :-)

Cheers,

Christopher Ferris
STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://webpages.charter.net/chrisfer/blog.html
phone: +1 508 377 9295

"Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com> wrote on 08/19/2005 09:55:06 AM:

> 
> Ashok,
> 
> History (views, reasons, etc..) changes(or can be rewritten) (it depends
> on who is recording it, have you read history books in other countries.
> 
> Having an amendment as you describe means whatever the scirbe misheard
> or misrecoreded will be documented regardless of what X has stated on
> the call, which should not be the case.
> 
> Cheers,
> Abbie
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com] 
> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:36 AM
> > To: Paul Cotton; Gilbert Pilz
> > Cc: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005
> > 
> > 
> > Changing minutes can come close to rewriting history.
> > In this case, it is possible that the scribe misheard or 
> > misrecorded Paul's words but, in the general case, someone 
> > can assert a different position to what was taken on the telcon.
> > 
> > I recommend, therefore, that the minutes not be changed but 
> > an amendment record be added saying "X has requested the 
> > following changes to the 
> > minutes ...".
> > 
> > All the best, Ashok
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paul Cotton [mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:12 AM
> > > To: Gilbert Pilz
> > > Cc: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005
> > > 
> > > Thanks for taking the minutes.  Here are some proposed changes:
> > > 
> > > 1.  Paul: David spoke directly about some discussions that
> > > took place during (prior?) the forming of the charter. I 
> > > wouldn't have permitted this (missed some of this)
> > > 
> > > Please replace this with:
> > > 
> > > > >Paul: David spoke directly about some discussions that took place
> > > prior to the formation of the TC.  I want to make it clear
> > > that Microsoft never would have suggested that the charter 
> > > could be changed since this is known to be against OASIS rules.
> > > 
> > > 2. >Paul: I'm going to vote against this. It will divert the
> > > TCs resources into a non-normative, non-exhaustive doc who's 
> > > applicability to the work of the TC is unclear.
> > > 
> > > Please replace this with what I put into the Chat dialogue
> > > and which I read out:
> > > 
> > > >Paul: I am going to vote against this proposal since it
> > > recommends the
> > > TC work on a non-normative, undecided scope, non-exhaustive
> > > non-deliverable.
> > > 
> > > 3. >Paul: I won't disagree with you. I take it you are
> > > referring to XQuery? That effort started with a blank slate. 
> > > This TC started with completed specs as well as interop 
> > > scenarios. I think this effort is beyond the need for use cases.
> > > 
> > > Please replace this with the following (I never used the word
> > > "completed"):
> > > 
> > > Paul: I won't disagree with you. I take it you are referring
> > > to XQuery?
> > > That effort started with a blank slate. This TC started with 
> > > well-defined contributed specs as well as interop scenarios. 
> > > I think this effort is beyond the need for use cases.
> > > 
> > > 4. >Paul: That would be the URI for the RDL document? (yes).
> > > The RDL document would point you at the schema file?
> > > 
> > > Change "RDL" to "RDDL" everywhere it occurs.
> > > 
> > > /paulc
> > > 
> > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > > 17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > > Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329 mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com]
> > > > Sent: August 18, 2005 8:40 PM
> > > > To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > Subject: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005
> > > > 
> > > > Attached is the draft of the minutes. Please notify if you
> > > feel there
> > > is
> > > > anything missing or incorrect and I'll fix it before I 
> > upload this 
> > > > document (probably on Monday). I'm sorry for the parts that
> > > simply say
> > > > (back and forth) but when everyone talks at once it is 
> > very hard to 
> > > > catch what is being said.
> > > > 
> > > > - g
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> >