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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005
I use VOIP to participate in the concalls. A quick google shows me that there are a number of different ways I could record our calls (either using a VOIP client that supports recording or a plug-in that taps into my systems audio stream). If I can set this up, would the group allow me to record our concalls? - g > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rutt [mailto:tom@coastin.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:53 AM > To: Lei Jin > Cc: Jonathan Marsh; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005 > > Lei Jin wrote: > > >Recording the whole call is great for keeping records, but > not so good > >if people just want to find out quickly what happened in this call. > >Perhaps we can have someone go through the recorded call and > produce an > >accurate summary/minutes of the meeting. > > > > > To record a telephone call (while also alowing the phone > which is doing the recording to participate in the call) > requires special > equipment. This costs about 150 dollars for the proper > equipment for > this job. > > I have thought about having a recording as a backup, for when > such discrepancies are found between different people's > memories of the event. > > However, minute takers can record the important happenings, > leaving some of the "not so relevant" details out. I do not > see a recording as taking the place of minutes. > > Tom Rutt > > >Lei > > > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Jonathan Marsh [mailto:jmarsh@microsoft.com] > >>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:47 PM > >>To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005 > >> > >> > >>Cool, then we could relive the whole call in real time! That would > >>certainly keep comments and corrections to a minimum... ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com] > >>>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:59 PM > >>>To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005 > >>> > >>>+1 to recording the minutes. Writing them down, especially on a > >>>concall > >>>where you can't actually see who is talking, is pretty > >>> > >>> > >>painfull. If we > >> > >> > >>>recorded the minutes we could pretend to be hip podcasters and all > >>>that . . . > >>> > >>>- g > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Abbie Barbir [mailto:abbieb@nortel.com] > >>>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:53 AM > >>>>To: Christopher B Ferris; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Basically, person X should be able to ensure that the minutes > >>>>reflect what he/she said. > >>>> > >>>>Of course, you can solve all the problems by having the minutes > >>>>recorded. This also solves the problem of appointing a scribe. > >>>> > >>>>Cheers, > >>>>Abbie > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: Christopher B Ferris [mailto:chrisfer@us.ibm.com] > >>>>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:22 AM > >>>>>To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August 2005 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Ultimately, it is the TC that has responsibility for > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>approving the > >> > >> > >>>>>minutes. If someone requests a change, and the rest of the TC > >>>>>disagrees with that change (revisionist history), then IMO > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>it should > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>not be made. > >>>>> > >>>>>Personally, I would tend to give the benefit of the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>doubt to the > >> > >> > >>>>>person to whom scribed notes are attributed. Thus far, I > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>haven't seen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>any changes requested that are inconsistent with my recollection > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>of > >>> > >>> > >>>>>what was said on the call. > >>>>> > >>>>>As long as the requested changes are recorded on the email > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>list, that > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>should be more than adequate as a record of what was > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>changed. If > >> > >> > >>>>>someone chooses to take exception to a requested change, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>they should > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>do so on the list so that it can be discussed and reconciled in > >>>>>accordance to the TC's wishes during the approval of > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>the minutes. > >> > >> > >>>>>Maybe we should all be prefacing our spoken points during a > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>meeting > >>> > >>> > >>>>>with: > >>>>>"permission > >>>>>to revise and extend my remarks for the record?" :-) > >>>>> > >>>>>Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>>Christopher Ferris > >>>>>STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture > >>>>>email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com > >>>>>blog: http://webpages.charter.net/chrisfer/blog.html > >>>>>phone: +1 508 377 9295 > >>>>> > >>>>>"Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com> wrote on 08/19/2005 09:55:06 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>AM: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>Ashok, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>History (views, reasons, etc..) changes(or can be > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>rewritten) (it > >> > >> > >>>>>>depends on who is recording it, have you read history books > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>in other > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>countries. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Having an amendment as you describe means whatever the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>scirbe misheard > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>or misrecoreded will be documented regardless of what X has > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>stated on > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>the call, which should not be the case. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Cheers, > >>>>>>Abbie > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com] > >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:36 AM > >>>>>>>To: Paul Cotton; Gilbert Pilz > >>>>>>>Cc: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>>>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>August 2005 > >> > >> > >>>>>>>Changing minutes can come close to rewriting > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>history. In this > >> > >> > >>>>>>>case, it is possible that the scribe misheard or > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>misrecorded > >> > >> > >>>>>>>Paul's words but, in the general case, someone can assert a > >>>>>>>different position to what was taken on the telcon. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I recommend, therefore, that the minutes not be > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>changed but an > >> > >> > >>>>>>>amendment record be added saying "X has requested the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>following > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>changes to the minutes ...". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>All the best, Ashok > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>From: Paul Cotton [mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com] > >>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:12 AM > >>>>>>>>To: Gilbert Pilz > >>>>>>>>Cc: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 August > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>2005 > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>Thanks for taking the minutes. Here are some > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>proposed changes: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>1. Paul: David spoke directly about some discussions > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>that took > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>place during (prior?) the forming of the charter. I > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>wouldn't have > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>permitted this (missed some of this) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Please replace this with: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Paul: David spoke directly about some discussions > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>that took > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>place > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>prior to the formation of the TC. I want to make it > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>clear that > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Microsoft never would have suggested that the charter > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>could be > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>changed since this is known to be against OASIS rules. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>2. >Paul: I'm going to vote against this. It will > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>divert the TCs > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>resources into a non-normative, non-exhaustive doc who's > >>>>>>>>applicability to the work of the TC is unclear. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Please replace this with what I put into the Chat > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>dialogue and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>which I read out: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Paul: I am going to vote against this proposal since it > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>recommends the > >>>>>>>>TC work on a non-normative, undecided scope, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>non-exhaustive > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>non-deliverable. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>3. >Paul: I won't disagree with you. I take it you are > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>referring > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>to XQuery? That effort started with a blank slate. This > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>TC started > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>with completed specs as well as interop scenarios. I > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>think this > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>effort is beyond the need for use cases. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Please replace this with the following (I never used the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>word > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>"completed"): > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Paul: I won't disagree with you. I take it you are > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>referring to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>XQuery? That effort started with a blank slate. This > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>TC started > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>with well-defined contributed specs as well as interop > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>scenarios. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>I think this effort is beyond the need for use cases. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>4. >Paul: That would be the URI for the RDL document? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>(yes). The > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>RDL document would point you at the schema file? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Change "RDL" to "RDDL" everywhere it occurs. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>/paulc > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada > >>>>>>>>17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3 > >>>>>>>>Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329 > >>>>>>>>mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com] > >>>>>>>>>Sent: August 18, 2005 8:40 PM > >>>>>>>>>To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>>>>>>Subject: [ws-rx] Draft teleconf minutes for 18 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>August 2005 > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>Attached is the draft of the minutes. Please > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>notify if you > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>feel there > >>>>>>>>is > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>anything missing or incorrect and I'll fix it before I > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>upload this > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>document (probably on Monday). I'm sorry for the parts > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>that > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>simply say > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>(back and forth) but when everyone talks at once it is > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>very hard to > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>catch what is being said. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>- g > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Tom Rutt email: tom@coastin.com; trutt@us.fujitsu.com > Tel: +1 732 801 5744 Fax: +1 732 774 5133 > > >
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