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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Proposal for AI 40 and i024


I don’t understand why defining the term “observed” would have satisfied this issue and the change below does not. I see no ambiguity in the words I have proposed.

 

What is ambiguous about “in effect”? Is not the intention of the definition of the DA here to expose what DA is in effect between the RMD and AD where this would be used? I can see some ambiguity about “observed” in this context as it is a word that can have unintentional interpretations among WS-Policy experts. Particularly for those who have differing recollections of the meaning of wsp:Observed before it was removed from WS-Policy. I don’t believe the word “observed” was used here to cause such interpretation and I thought that was why clarification was needed.

 

I would have expected the clarification of “observed” to say something about the DA being “in effect” between the RM and app layer. Removing the offending word seems a cleaner approach than attempting to define it.

 

If the below change is acceptable to the TC I see no reason to reopen the issue.

 


From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:15 PM
To: Marc Goodner; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Proposal for AI 40 and i024

 

So, the proposal is to change the undefined word "observed" with alternate undefined

words "in effect".  I'm sorry, but I disagree. 

 

I would like to ask the chairs to reopen the discussion to determine what the WG really

wants.

All the best, Ashok

 

 


From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:42 AM
To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [ws-rx] Proposal for AI 40 and i024

I propose the following to close the open AI 40 for i024, clarifying the meaning of observed.

 

Change the word “observed” on lines 233 and 245 to “in effect”.

Change the words “observed by” on lines 233 and 245 to “in effect at”.

 

This would result in the following text in the RM Policy doc.

 

The Delivery Assurance indicates a delivery assurance claim in effect between an Application
Source and an RM Source or an Application Destination and an RM Destination.
 
/wsrmp:DeliveryAssertion
An assertion that makes a claim as to the delivery assurance policy in effect at the
destination endpoint.

 

I believe that this retains the intention of the current text.

 

1 AI 40 http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/members/action_item.php?action_item_id=1048

2 i024 http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/14894/ReliableMessagingIssues.xml#i024

 



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