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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] NEW ISSUE: Definition for "Reliable Message"


Well, Chris, maybe you just defined "reliable message" ;-)

I don't have any qualms removing "reliable message" from the spec (I just note it has been there for a long time though ...I didn't put it in) I just find it convenient so that we can use 2 words instead of 5 or 7 !

So one way or the other, there is some editorial clean-up to do here, I think.

 

Cheers,

Jacques

 


From: Christopher B Ferris [mailto:chrisfer@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:16 AM
To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ws-rx] NEW ISSUE: Definition for "Reliable Message"

 


IJDGI (I just don't get it).

There's no such thing as a "reliable message". There can be reliable protocols, reliable transports
but not a "reliable message". There can be a "message that is transmitted reliably" or a "message
transmitted over a reliable transport/protocol", but not a "reliable message".

Cheers,

Christopher Ferris
STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://webpages.charter.net/chrisfer/blog.html
phone: +1 508 377 9295


"Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com> wrote on 10/25/2005 11:01:13 AM:

> Jacques:

>  
> Would a more generic entry be better to give us latitude to cover
> future items.

>  
> "Reliable Message: A message that behaves exactly as the sender
> designed it to with respect to delivery to its destination or
> notifies the sender in the event it encountered problems.  The gamut
> of behavior is (not an exclusive list):

> [insert list of current expectations]"
>  
> Duane
>  
>
> From: Jacques Durand [mailto:JDurand@us.fujitsu.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:41 PM
> To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [ws-rx] NEW ISSUE: Definition for "Reliable Message"

>  
> Title: Definition for "Reliable Message"
>  
> Description: there are several references to "reliable message"
> (section 1, 2 intro, 2.1, 2.3) that are not backed by a clear definition.

>  
> Justification: Terminology section is defining key concepts, yet
> does not explain what a reliable message is (and now other
> definitions are also referencing "reliable message"). The main
> requirement of inclusion of a wsrm:Sequence element which could back
> an intuitive definition, is not currently related to this expression
> at all, (related to DA instead) which is confusing.

>  
> Target: core
>  
> Type: editorial
>  
> Proposal:
> 1- Add a terminology entry. It could be:
> Reliable message: a message submitted by the Application Source to
> an RM Source via the "Send" operation,

> for transmission over the protocol defined in this specification.
> 2-       In 3.1: associate the main protocol requirement (Sequence
> element) with the definition of "reliable message" instead of with a
> vague requirement of being subject to some DA:

> Replace:
> "Messages for which the delivery assurance applies MUST contain a
> <wsrm:Sequence> header block."

> With:
> "Reliable Messages MUST contain a <wsrm:Sequence> header block."
> (DA and protocol being in fact separately defined, DA should now
> more abstractly mandate the use of "reliable messages" if we still
> want to pre-req one to the other.)



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