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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] STV votes and Kavi

Maybe Kavi can be "profiled" ;-) to do STV:
- open a ballot for choosing 1 among say 3 proposals, over 6 days.
- announce that 1st round closes after 3 days (Kavi does not know it)
- eliminate the proposal that got the least votes at this juncture.
- ask all those who voted for the weakest proposal to transfer their
vote for one of the remaining, over next 3 days.
- second and last counting will select the proposal agreeable to most. 

Everyone is in fact allowed to change their vote anytime as before, the
key point being to eliminate the weakest proposal at some agreed
periodic juncture during the ballot, as many times as needed to finally
end up with 2 to choose from. 

This would not be possible of course with a secret ballot.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:34 AM
To: Paul Fremantle
Cc: wsrx
Subject: Re: [ws-rx] STV votes and Kavi

On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Paul Fremantle wrote:

> We have had a few suggestions that we use Single Transferrable Voting
> during the lifetime of this TC. Unfortunately Kavi doesn't help  
> with that, and
> in addition its not 100% clear whether we are allowed by Robert's  
> Rules to use
> STV.

Robert's Rules does not prohibit a group from adopting its own  
procedures. The OASIS process permits TC's to adopt standing rules  
that don't conflict OASIS board approved policies and which have to  
approved by the TC administrator.
STV is a way to determine majority preferences, so i don't see how it  
contravenes the requirements for voting.

In any event, STV can also be used an "informal" polling process to  
determine where consensus is likely to lie.

> While thinking about this I realized that Kavi effectively supports
> a primitive type of STV already - its called "changing your vote".
> Most votes on Kavi allow you to modify your vote up until the end  
> of the
> ballot. STV is basically a model that allows you to specify *in  
> advance* how you want
> your vote to be changed in case your first choice isn't successful.  
> The Kavi equivalent
> of that is you go in and look at the vote and see how its going and
> modify your vote right then and there.

I don't see this at all. STV allows you vote "Sequentially, if you  
will" by ranking your preferences. Changing a vote doesn't do that.

> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Fremantle
> VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/bloglines/pzf
> paul@wso2.com
> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com

Jeff Mischkinsky
Director, Web Services Standards		+1(650)506-1975
Consulting Member Technical Staff           500 Oracle Parkway, M/S 4OP9
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