Re: [ws-rx] CD8

[Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com>]

Tom Rutt wrote:

I realize now that the edits in cd 8.1 for wsmc and wsrmp have already 
done what I am
asking for.

I am happy with the wording in 8.1 as a suitable "abstraction", as 
outlined in our charter.

Tom Rutt
> Paul Fremantle wrote:
>> Dug
>>
>> Thanks very much for all your hard work on this.
>>
>> Anish - what are your thoughts on the CD8.01 proposal outlined below?
> This is doing what our charter says "If a referenced standard is not 
> far enough along on
> standards track .... abstract its use"
>
> With this, all ws policy references should be put in non normative 
> references section.
>
> Also, I suggest useingthe wording
>
> "wsp" is an abstraction pertaining to any ws policy namespace which is 
> compatible
> with the policy assertion types defined in this specification.
>
> With this abstraction approach, we do not need to wait for ws policy 
> to complete.
>
> Tom Rutt
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doug Davis wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>> A new folder called "CD08" has been created in the TC's document 
>>> section [1].  In there you'll find 3 pdf files that shows the latest 
>>> version of the specs with the WS-Policy namespace URI fixed:
>>>    WS-RM: 
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22965/wsrm-1.1-spec-cd-07.pdf 
>>>
>>>    WS-RMP: 
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22966/wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-08.pdf 
>>>
>>>    WS-MC: 
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22967/wsmc-1.0-spec-cd-04.pdf 
>>>
>>>
>>> and there's also a zip file:
>>>    ZIP: 
>>>  http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22964/WSRX%20CD8.zip 
>>>
>>> that contains everything, including 2 *-diff.pdf files showing what 
>>> was changed from the old CD (for just MC and RMP - RM did not 
>>> change). The only changes you should see in there are:
>>> 1 - increase in the CD version # (on title page and footers)
>>> 2 - update to the "previous version" names/URL - needed since we 
>>> bumped up the CD version #
>>> 3 - fix to the WS-Policy namespace URI
>>>
>>> I encourage everyone to look these over to ensure that not only is 
>>> the URI correct but also that no other unintended changes were made.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>>
>>> Odds are the issue of pointing to the CR version of WS-Policy will 
>>> come up on today's conf call, so to see if we can move things along 
>>> there's also a new "CD08.1" folder. In there, again, you'll find 3 
>>> pdf files:
>>>    WS-RM: 
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22969/wsrm-1.1-spec-cd-07.pdf 
>>>
>>>    WS-RMP: 
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22970/wsrmp-1.1-spec-cd-08.pdf 
>>>
>>>    WS-MC: 
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22971/wsmc-1.0-spec-cd-04.pdf 
>>>
>>> and a zip file:
>>>    ZIP: 
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/22968/WSRX%20CD8.1.zip 
>>>
>>> The files in this folder contain all of the changes mentioned above. 
>>>  However, WS-RMP and WS-MC also contain the following additional 
>>> changes (which you'll see in the *-diff pdfs):
>>> 1 - removed "wsp" from the WS-RMP namespace table (not change needed 
>>> for WS-MC)
>>> 2 - added the following sentence to the "Namespace" section of 
>>> WS-RMP and WS-MC:
>>> The assertions defined within this specification have been designed 
>>> to work independently of a specific version of WS-Policy and 
>>> WS-Policy Attachment. Within this specification the use of the 
>>> namespace prefix "wsp" refers generically to the WS-Policy 
>>> namespace, not a specific version.
>>> 3 - In WS-RMP, moved the references for WS-Policy and 
>>> WS-PolicyAttachments to be non-normative (no change needed for WS-MC)
>>>
>>> Note that the WS-Policy/Attachments references themselves still 
>>> point to the CR versions of the specs.
>>>
>>> It seems we need to balance our desire to reference the latest 
>>> version of WS-Policy with our immediate need to also be able to 
>>> support existing customers. Maybe the above set of changes could 
>>> allow both camps to squint a little and be able to move on.  With 
>>> these changes our specs clearly push people towards the CR version 
>>> of WS-Policy but still acknowledges that these assertions we're 
>>> defining are really independent of any version of WS-Policy.  *Note 
>>> that none of the schema files actually reference WS-Policy at all*.  
>>> So, given that all of these WS-* specs are supposed to be 
>>> composible, it seems reasonable to create our assertions (and specs) 
>>> in such a way that they not only work with the CR version but with 
>>> any subsequence versions of WS-Policy that the W3C may create. If 
>>> the WS-Policy WG were to rev the WS-Policy specs it would be a shame 
>>> to have to update WS-RMP and WS-MC just to update our WS-Policy 
>>> namespaces/references.  (Of course, if WS-Policy were to change in 
>>> such a way that our assertions themselves needed to be changed to 
>>> fit into some new framework then we'd have to reopen our specs.)   
>>> Anyway, please look over this proposal and see what you think....
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/documents.php
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> -Doug
>>> ______________________________________________________
>>> STSM  |  Web Services Architect  |  IBM Software Group
>>> (919) 254-6905  |  IBM T/L 444-6905  |  dug@us.ibm.com
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