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Subject: Re: [ws-rx] [NEW ISSUE] Remove references from WSRM to WSRMP
- From: Doug Davis <dug@us.ibm.com>
- To: Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com>
- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:12:13 -0400
Kind of like people should be able to
read our Policy specs and know that both versions of policy are ok... oh
wait....
thanks
-Doug
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Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com>
03/19/2007 03:11 PM
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Those DAs are fundamental concepts of reliable messaging.
One of the
aspects of the issue that the FIX Protocol Working Group raised with us
was that they wanted clear definitions of the DAs in our spec [They also
wanted policy I admit].
The fact is that people can implement those DAs even if they don't
implement RMP and being able to refer to this spec as the definition of
those DAs is important. I agree that forward reference made it clearer,
but I think that its likely people will read both specs and figure out
the linkage!
Paul
Doug Davis wrote:
>
> May not be a big deal - but it seems a bit odd to define stuff in
a spec
> that people are not supposed to do anything with. e.g. Here's
a thing
> that sounds kind of interesting (we know lots of people want some
thing
> called DAs) and we'll tease you by defining the terms, but you can't
do
> anything with 'em, nor do we even point you to a spec that does :-)
>
> thanks
> -Doug
> ______________________________________________________
> STSM | Web Services Architect | IBM Software
Group
> (919) 254-6905 | IBM T/L 444-6905 | dug@us.ibm.com
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>
> *Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com>*
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> 03/16/2007 09:04 PM
> Please respond to
> tom@coastin.com
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>
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> To
> Doug
Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
> cc
> Paul
Fremantle <paul@wso2.com>, "ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org"
> <ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject
> Re:
[ws-rx] [NEW ISSUE] Remove references from WSRM to WSRMP
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> Doug Davis wrote:
> >
> > hmmm, some interesting things come to mind....
> > - what does section 2.4 (DAs) mean w/o the notion of putting
them as
> > Policy assertions?
> I see no problem with having the base spec define the meaning of
> Delivery assurance concepts.
>
> The policy spec would be defining how to express the delivery assurance
> as policy assertions suitable
> for ws policy.
>
> Tom
> > What is a reader expected to do with them w/o some guidance?
Or would
> > we move these to the WS-RMP spec?
> > - how does removing the reference to WS-RMP help when we
have other
> > references to things like SecurityPolicy - which points
to the
> > submitted version of WSP? Perhaps we should consider
removing all
> > refs to any kind of policy doc?
> > - If pointing to SecurityPolicy is ok because its a non-normative
ref,
> > then rather than removing refs to WS-RMP, we should just
make it a
> > non-normative one?
> > - If we decouple RM and RMP, then it seems we should do
the same for
> > MC. Kind of sad since the real content in a WS-MCP
spec would be less
> > than a page. sigh. Would you object to including
that as part of
> > this issue/proposal if I did the work to split it out?
> >
> > thanks
> > -Doug
> > ______________________________________________________
> > STSM | Web Services Architect | IBM
Software Group
> > (919) 254-6905 | IBM T/L 444-6905 | dug@us.ibm.com
> >
> >
> > *Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com>*
> >
> > 03/15/2007 05:50 PM
> >
> >
> > To
> >
"ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org"
> <ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > cc
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> > Subject
> >
[ws-rx] [NEW ISSUE] Remove references from WSRM to WSRMP
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> >
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> >
> >
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> > I see no reason why WSRM should reference WSRMP. WSRM interoperates
and
> > works fine without WSRMP in place. I propose we make the
following
> > changes to WSRM:
> >
> > Relative to the latest CD
> >
> > Delete lines 201-203 (reference to wsrmp)
> > On line 378 delete the sentence starting with "These
assertions...."
> > until the end of line 379.
> > On line 1786 delete the sentence starting with "See
WS-RM Policy..." to
> > the end of line 1787.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
> > Paul Fremantle
> > VP/Technology and Partnerships, WSO2
> > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
> >
> > http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle
> > paul@wso2.com
> > (646) 290 8050
> >
> > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
> >
> >
>
>
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Paul Fremantle
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OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle
paul@wso2.com
(646) 290 8050
"Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
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