Re: [ws-rx] Prelim minutes of 11/29 Teleconference

[Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com>]

I would like to point out that the header for the discussion on errata 
status somehow was removed before I sent out the prelim minutes

I will insert a new header after Marc G action item before posting to 
the web site.

Tom Rutt

Tom Rutt wrote:
> Prelim minutes attached.
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> Tom Rutt
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> *Prelim Minutes of OASIS WS-RX Teleconference*
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> *Nov 29, 2007*
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> * *
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> Start Time:4:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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> ?? acted as chair.
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> Textual Conventions
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> Ø Action Item
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> Motion
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> § Resolution
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>   1 Roll Call
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> From Kavi:**
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> * *
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> * *
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> * *
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> meeting is quorate
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> Tom Rutt agreed to take minutes.
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>
>   2 Agenda Approval
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> Dial-in details: Thanks to Microsoft
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> (203) 480-8000
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> PC: 2365501
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> Agenda
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> 1. Roll Call
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> 2. Review of Agenda
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> 3. Approval of Minutes from Nov 1 2007
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> 4. New Issues
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> 5. Update on SX Schedule
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> 6. Status of Errata Doc from Editors
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> 8. Ongoing TC Schedule
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> 9. Conference call sponsorship
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> 10. AOB
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> No changes
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>   3 Approval of the Previous Minutes;
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> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/26082/MinutesWSRX-110107.htm 
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> Tom moved to approve Nov 1 minutes, Colleen seconded.
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> § No objections, minutes of Nov 1, 2007 approved.
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>
>   4 AI Review
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> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/members/action_items.php 
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> None
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>   5 New Issues
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> None
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>
>   6 Update on SX Schedule - Marc Goodner
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> Marc G: No cause for alarm. TC is progressing and has closed on the 
> 1.5 policy references issues. CDs expected in January. Editors drafts 
> some time in December. Hoping for January Public Review.
>
> Action: Marc G to post urls for SX next version editor’s Drafts when 
> available. Status of Errata Doc from Editors
>
> * *
>
> Dug: Mary has the erratas in her hands, and is ready to post a vote. I 
> send a mail on a problem in updating wsdl files.
>
> All,
>
> There's a bit of a problem with the WSDL files we updated for the 
> errata (RM and MC). Since the WSDL files have been changed, per the 
> OASIS rules, we can not simply override the existing WSDL file. We 
> must create a new WSDL file - new w.r.t. its name but luckily we don't 
> need to update any namespaces. So, it would seem that one option will 
> be to create a new URL/file at something like:
>
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702/wsrm-1.1-wsdl-200702e.wsdl
>
> And we'd then need to update links in the specs (and mention it in the 
> errata).
>
> If we had thought about this problem before we could have used the 
> "Latest URL" pattern (like we do for the specs themselves) and used 
> something like:
>
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/v1.1/wsrm.wsdl
>
> in the spec - and just made this URL point to the 'e' version of the 
> wsdl. So, I guess that's our 2nd option - change the specs to use a 
> "Latest URL" pattern.
>
> Thoughts, comments, other ideas...?
>
> thanks
>
> -Doug
>
> Dug: the first alternative is the easiest on everyone.
>
> Marc G: If you use the latest url, you also must clarify which one is 
> used for this document.
>
> Chris F: what about the RDDL document? It should also be changed to 
> update to the errata. The fact that it is a different file name can be 
> handled by the errata. The reason for the rule is that when they 
> publish and oasis standard it is all there and it will not change 
> (i.e., permanent reference). Having a different file name is no bid deal.
>
> Chris F: you should not write code that downloads the wsdl at run time.
>
> Paul F: we should bear this “latest” scheme in mind when preparing the 
> next version. Not needed for errata.
>
> Chris F: I move that we add a suffix to the file name for the wsdl, 
> seconded by Marc G.
>
> Anish: I suggest the suffix be “e1”.
>
> No objection to amendment by Anish
>
> No objection to amended motion. Motion carries
>
> Action: Doug D will send a notice to Mary, with a new addition to errata.
>
> Tom: Can we approve a new CD of errata with the agreed change?
>
> Paul: the vote on ballot was agree to CD, agree not substantive change,
>
> MrGoodner: I move seconded by Tom.
>
> a) Adopt the set of proposed Errata documents 
> (http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/25906/WSRX%20OS01e1.zip) 
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/25906/WSRX%20OS01e1.zip%29> 
> as a Committee Draft modified so the wsdl is renamed 
> wsrm-1.1-wsdl-200702e1.wsdl and reflected in the documents, and
>
> (b) Confirm that the proposed corrections do not constitute a 
> Substantive Change, and
>
> (c) Submit the proposed corrections for a 15-day public review
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> No objection, full majority accepted motion on Ammended Errata 
> progression.
>
>
>   1 Ongoing TC Schedule
>
> Next meeting Jan 17^th .
>
> Paul F: Our goal is to produce CDs for a next version of the document. 
> We should wait until SC goes to vote, before we go to vote.
>
> Marc G: we have to do a committee draft first. We should try to keep 
> SX and RX process in parallel. It should proceed smoothly.
>
> Paul F: I want to avoid mutual inter-reference problems.
>
> Colleen: The TX TC has similar situation, they have established a 
> parallel timeline.
>
> *Colleen:* 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-tx/download.php/26120/wstx-1.2-timeline.doc
>
> *PaulFremantle1:*
>
> 30 Jan 2008: Editors to complete final CD drafts, referring to 
> anticipated SX 1.4 PR drafts.
>
> Feb 7: Ballot to approve CD drafts as PR drafts. Full majority vote 
> required.
>
> Feb 21 Apr 21: 60 day public review. These dateS, and all subsequent 
> dates will be gated by SX since we cannot progress ahead of SX.
>
> May 1: Discuss any PR feedback. Editors prepare CS drafts.
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> May 7. Begin ballots to approve committee spec and to submit for OASIS 
> membership approval
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> May 14 Complete ballot. Submit committee specs to OASIS for OASIS 
> standard ballot.
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> June 1: OASIS to inform membership of forthcoming ballot
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> June 16: Membership ballot starts.
>
> June 30. Voting period ends. All being well, we have an OASIS standard.
>
> Chris F: the changes they made are self referential within a TC. But 
> we are dealing with two or three TCs. If we want the OASIS standard 
> reference we need to wait until they have a committee spec.
>
> Paul F: we can due Public review based on their public review. Then we 
> can do a CS based on their CS.
>
> Doug D: what is actually changing in the spec?
>
> Paul F: we need to take this to the mailing list to evaluate, but we 
> should aim for a similar target schedule. A committee draft in January 
> should be our first target.
>
> Paul F: looking at calendar we need to schedule a meeting in February.
>
> Doug D: do we need to do something about errata after 15 day review 
> period?
>
> Paul F: we can do a KAVI ballot after the Public review period.
>
> Action: Paul F to post KAVI electronic ballot if there are no negative 
> Public Review comments.
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> Paul F: next day for call is Feb 14, however can we change to Feb 21.
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> Colleen: why not Feb 7.
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> Paul F: we should schedule calls for both Feb 7 and Feb 21.
>
>
>   2 Conference call sponsorship
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> WS02 will sponsor Jan call.
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> IBM will sponsor for Feb 7 call.
>
> Oracle will sponsor Feb 21 call.
>
>
>   3 AOB
>
> Ian Jones: People want to be able to use WS-RM spec with 
> intermediaries within EB XML. Any help will be appreciated
>
> Paul F: I would be interested in discussing that on the email list, 
> Ian should send note to list.
>
> Meeting adjourned at 4:40 PM EDT
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