RE: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call

["Doug Bunting (WSSP)" <Douglas.R.Bunting@microsoft.com>]

Paul,

I'm not sure [2] applies to the WS-RX TC situation since we hold meetings and that sentence starts "... TC that does not hold meetings ..."

[1] seems relevant here.  The general model I've seen is of TCs falling back to meeting monthly when relatively quiet, avoiding automatic acquisition of voting rights by members who lost those rights 60 days (and less than two meetings) previously.

Please contact OASIS staff if you remain unsure we need to meet next Thursday to maintain our current quorum.

thanx,
      doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com]
Sent: March-18-08 13:05
To: Doug Bunting (WSSP)
Cc: wsrx
Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call

Doug

Actually thats an interesting question. I had assumed that since there
were 56 days between the two meetings that counted as "2 meetings in 60
days". However, the OASIS procedures text is pretty complex to understand.

It says:
"[1] A TC Member who has lost his or her voting rights shall regain them
for a TC that holds Meetings by attending two consecutive Meetings (as
recorded in the minutes), thus regaining voting rights after the end of
the second Meeting attended or, if less than two Meetings are called
within 60 days after the loss of such rights, at the close of that 60th
day. [2] A Member of a TC that does not hold Meetings may regain voting
rights by making a request to the chair(s) to regain them, effective at
the close of the 60th day after the request."

(my numbers in brackets)

So [1] seems to contradict what I was thinking: it seems to imply that
we have to have two meetings within 60 days of the last meeting (i.e. 3
meetings in 61 days).

However, [2] implies that this doesn't happen automatically. The members
only get voting rights IF they apply to the chair. So I would assert
that we only need to hold the meetings in case we get a mass application
for voting rights from non-voters.

As an aside, I believe that OASIS have worded this incorrectly. Imagine
I am member X who lost voting rights last year. Now I want them back. I
apply to the chair, and either there are two meeting I can attend, or I
get them on the 60th day. Right? Well that's obviously the intent. But
[1] says "if less than two Meetings are called within 60 days after the
loss of such rights". So "the loss of such rights" happened to member X
last year. And last year we continuously had meetings. Its only this
year we are being slack. So [1] doesn't apply to member X.

Paul






Doug Bunting (WSSP) wrote:
> Paul,
>
> As discussed during our last call, don't we need /2/ meetings in 60 days to avoid problems with quorum at the following meeting?
>
> thanx,
>       doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com]
> Sent: March-18-08 04:38
> To: wsrx
> Subject: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call
>
> Folks
>
> I don't see any reason to hold this coming conference call. If we cancel
> this one, the next call still lies within the 60 days mandated by the
> OASIS rules.
>
> If there are no suggestions of business for the meeting, or other
> objections, by the end of Thursday I will cancel.
>
> Thanks
> Paul
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