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Subject: Re: FW: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conferencecall]
So in essence ONLY members who *recently* lost their voting status regain it. Thanks Paul Mary McRae wrote: > ... copying my response to Paul to the TC list. > > Regards, > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:15 PM > To: 'Paul Fremantle'; 'tc-admin@oasis-open.org' > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call] > > Hi Paul, > > Let me try to illustrate how this works. First, what you have identified as [2] > below doesn't apply since your TC *does* hold Meetings. Only [1] is relevant. > > What the rule says is "... or, if less than two Meetings are called <<<within 60 > days after the loss of such rights>>> ..." > > Note that it does not say "if the TC holds less than two Meetings within 60 > days" -- it's 60 days from the date which the Member lost voting rights. > > This is best described in table format and you need to know when each Member > lost their voting rights. If two meetings were held within a 60-day period after > they lost their voting rights, and they failed to attend them, then they remain > Members. If, however, two meetings were *not* held within the 60-day period > following their loss of voting rights, they automatically regain them. > > You have 51 Members. I'm going to try a couple of examples. (By going to Meeting > Attendance I can see who attended what meetings - thankfully you use the Kavi > roster!) > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/members/attendance.php?page=0 > > > Top of the list: > Charlton Barreto (Adobe) > Assuming that he was a voting member on 11-29-2007, he then missed two meetings > in a row (1-17-2008 and 2-14-2008). That means at the end of the meeting on 14 > Feb he lost voting rights. One meeting was held on 28 Feb 2008; Charlton did not > attend. If another meeting is not held prior to 14 April, there will not have > been 2 meetings within 60 days of his losing voting rights and he should be > changed to Voting Member on 14 April. > > Let's take Marc Goodner (Microsoft) next. > He either was a Voting Member or gained voting rights at the end of the meeting > on 17 Jan. He then missed the next two meetings, which means he lost his voting > rights at the end of the meeting on 28 Feb. If two meetings aren't held between > 29 Feb and 29 April, he will automatically regain Voting Rights on 29 April. > > Anyone who lost their voting rights prior to the 14 Feb meeting wouldn't be > under consideration since two meetings were held within 60 days following their > loss of voting rights. > > Hopefully that makes sense; let me know if you have further questions! > > Regards, > > Mary > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:44 PM >> To: tc-admin@oasis-open.org >> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call] >> >> Mary >> >> Any chance of some clarification. Our concern is that we do not wish to >> have suddenly a large number of voting members who don't turn up and >> therefore mess up our quorum. (We have a lot of inactive members) >> >> Paul >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call >> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:05:16 +0000 >> From: Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com> >> To: Doug Bunting (WSSP) <Douglas.R.Bunting@microsoft.com> >> CC: wsrx <ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org> >> References: <47DFA99D.3080400@wso2.com> >> <C14A40B34FCAA7499C1BFD4617B5D055325594F223@NA-EXMSG- >> C112.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> >> >> Doug >> >> Actually thats an interesting question. I had assumed that since there >> were 56 days between the two meetings that counted as "2 meetings in 60 >> days". However, the OASIS procedures text is pretty complex to understand. >> >> It says: >> "[1] A TC Member who has lost his or her voting rights shall regain them >> for a TC that holds Meetings by attending two consecutive Meetings (as >> recorded in the minutes), thus regaining voting rights after the end of >> the second Meeting attended or, if less than two Meetings are called >> within 60 days after the loss of such rights, at the close of that 60th >> day. [2] A Member of a TC that does not hold Meetings may regain voting >> rights by making a request to the chair(s) to regain them, effective at >> the close of the 60th day after the request." >> >> (my numbers in brackets) >> >> So [1] seems to contradict what I was thinking: it seems to imply that >> we have to have two meetings within 60 days of the last meeting (i.e. 3 >> meetings in 61 days). >> >> However, [2] implies that this doesn't happen automatically. The members >> only get voting rights IF they apply to the chair. So I would assert >> that we only need to hold the meetings in case we get a mass application >> for voting rights from non-voters. >> >> As an aside, I believe that OASIS have worded this incorrectly. Imagine >> I am member X who lost voting rights last year. Now I want them back. I >> apply to the chair, and either there are two meeting I can attend, or I >> get them on the 60th day. Right? Well that's obviously the intent. But >> [1] says "if less than two Meetings are called within 60 days after the >> loss of such rights". So "the loss of such rights" happened to member X >> last year. And last year we continuously had meetings. Its only this >> year we are being slack. So [1] doesn't apply to member X. >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Doug Bunting (WSSP) wrote: >>> Paul, >>> >>> As discussed during our last call, don't we need /2/ meetings in 60 days >> to avoid problems with quorum at the following meeting? >>> thanx, >>> doug >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] >>> Sent: March-18-08 04:38 >>> To: wsrx >>> Subject: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call >>> >>> Folks >>> >>> I don't see any reason to hold this coming conference call. If we cancel >>> this one, the next call still lies within the 60 days mandated by the >>> OASIS rules. >>> >>> If there are no suggestions of business for the meeting, or other >>> objections, by the end of Thursday I will cancel. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Paul >>> -- >>> Paul Fremantle >>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 >>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair >>> VP, Apache Synapse >>> >>> Office: +44 844 484 8143 >>> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 >>> >>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org >>> paul@wso2.com >>> >>> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in >> OASIS >>> at: >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in >> OASIS >>> at: >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >>> >>> >> -- >> Paul Fremantle >> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair >> VP, Apache Synapse >> >> Office: +44 844 484 8143 >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 >> >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org >> paul@wso2.com >> >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in >> OASIS >> at: >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >> >> >> >> -- >> Paul Fremantle >> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair >> VP, Apache Synapse >> >> Office: +44 844 484 8143 >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 >> >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org >> paul@wso2.com >> >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in OASIS > at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > -- Paul Fremantle CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair VP, Apache Synapse Office: +44 844 484 8143 Cell: +44 798 447 4618 blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org paul@wso2.com "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
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