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Subject: [VER 2] WS-SX TC Minutes, Jan 25 2006


WS-SX TC Minutes, Jan 25 2006

[VER 2]
1. Added roll call.
2. Corrected discussion of interop event.

Summary of new Action items:

ACTION 2006-01-25-01 Chris Kaler will reply by email to Issue 014's
questions.

ACTION 2005-01-25-02 Marc Goodner to work on an initial interop
scenarios document.  Prateek Mishra also offered to help.

ACTION 2005-01-25-03 Heather Hinton and Tony Nadalin to work on an
initial use cases document.  Prateek Mishara also offered to help.

ACTION 2005-01-25-04 Tony Nadalin will look into the possibility of
hosting an interop event at the April F2F location

1. Call to order/roll call

Present:
Frank Siebenlist, Argonne National Laboratory*
Jong Lee, BEA Systems, Inc.*
Hal Lockhart, BEA Systems, Inc.*
Denis Pilipchuk, BEA Systems, Inc.*
Corinna Witt, BEA Systems, Inc.*
Symon Chang, Blue Titan Software*
Steve Anderson, BMC Software*
Rich Levinson, Computer Associates*
Yakov Sverdlov, Computer Associates*
Dana Kaufman, Forum Systems, Inc.*
Toshihiro Nishimura, Fujitsu Limited*
Irving Reid, Hewlett-Packard*
Greg Whitehead, Hewlett-Packard*
Ching-Yun (C.Y.) Chao, IBM*
Henry (Hyenvui) Chung, IBM*
Heather Hinton, IBM*
Kelvin Lawrence, IBM*
Michael McIntosh, IBM*
Anthony Nadalin, IBM*
Michael Perks, IBM*
Scott Cantor, Internet2*
Mike Lyons, Layer 7 Technologies Inc.*
Jan Alexander, Microsoft Corporation*
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Corporation*
Colleen Evans, Microsoft Corporation*
Mark Fussell, Microsoft Corporation*
Vijay Gajjala, Microsoft Corporation*
Marc Goodner, Microsoft Corporation*
Martin Gudgin, Microsoft Corporation*
Chris Kaler, Microsoft Corporation*
Jonathan Marsh, Microsoft Corporation*
Jorgen Thelin, Microsoft Corporation*
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corporation*
Kyle Young, Microsoft Corporation*
Norman Brickman, Mitre Corporation*
Jeff Hodges, Neustar, Inc.*
Abbie Barbir, Nortel Networks Limited*
Paul Knight, Nortel Networks Limited*
Steve Carter, Novell*
Howard Bae, Oracle Corporation*
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corporation*
Prateek Mishra, Oracle Corporation*
Vamsi Motukuru, Oracle Corporation*
Alex Hristov, Otecia Incorporated*
John Hughes*, PA Consulting*
Rob Philpott, RSA Security*
Martijn de Boer, SAP AG*
Martin Raepple, SAP AG*
Jiandong Guo, Sun Microsystems*
Hubert Le Van Gong, Sun Microsystems*
Eve Maler, Sun Microsystems*
Don Adams, Tibco Software Inc.*
Hans Granqvist, VeriSign *

2. Reading/Approving minutes of last meeting (January 18)
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00052.html
[VER 3] includes roll call corrections:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00066.html 

Adopted unanimously.

3. Charter clarification ballot(s) status 

The first ballot passed and OASIS staff will post a revised charter.

ACTION 2006-01-18-01 Chairs to arrange for a second charter
clarification vote.
DONE. See:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00063.html
The ballot will be started soon by the TC Administrator.

4. Issues list 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/issues/Issues.xml

a) Review of action items

ai-02 - Chairs to put link to issues list on TC home page.
DONE. See:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00042.html
 
ai-04 - Chairs to create a Kavi location for WSDL files. 
DONE.  See TC home page.

ai-06 - Chairs to hold a F2F attendance ballot starting Mar 1 and
closing at least two weeks before the F2F.
Due to start on Mar 1.  

ai-07 - Martin Gudgin to post interop document referenced from
WS-SecurityPolicy F2F presentation. 
DONE.  See:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00054.html 

ai-08 - Chairs to arrange for a second charter clarification vote.
DONE. See:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00063.html
The ballot will be started soon.
 
ai-09 - Editors to check that XPath examples in WS-SecurityPolicy are
fully namespace qualified.
Pending.

b) Issues in Review status

i001 - Revocation versus cancelation of security tokens
Fixed in revised WS-Trust:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-sx/download.php/16288/ws
-trust-1.3-spec-ed-01-r03-diff.pdf
Change status to Closed.

i005 - OASIS formatted specs
Change status to Closed.

i006 - Adopt errata of SP into initial drafts
Change status to Closed.

i007 - Put schema and wsdl in well identified place
Change status to Closed.

i012 - Examples should have <ds:SignatureValue> subelement, not
<ds:Signature>
Change status to Closed.

i013 - Add the OASIS boilerplate to the XSD and WSDL files
Change status to Closed.

c) New issues

i014- Is the key agreement algorithm proposed in WS-Trust sound?
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00061.html
Added to the issues list.  Owner is Prateek Mishra.  Status is Active.

Gudge asked if Prateek's questions are:

a) What is minimum entropy size for P-SHA1?

b) Is P-SHA1 secure outside of TLS?

Prateek agreed that these are two of the questions he is asking.

ACTION 2006-01-25-01 Chris Kaler will reply by email to Issue 014's
questions.

i015 - Support error handling in RequestSecurityToken extension
mechanism
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00067.html 
Added to issues list.  Owner is C.Y. Chao.  Status is Active.

i016 - sp:SignedParts mechanism
Should the sp:SignedParts mechanism (lines 592-605) allow specification
of header elements targeted to a specific s11:actor or s12:role?
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00069.html
Added to issues list.  Owner is Mike McIntosh.  Status is Active.

i017 - sp:RequiredElements mechanism
Should the sp:RequiredElements mechanism (lines 735-740) allow
specification of otherwise optional elements that are not children of
soap:Header?
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00069.html
Added to issues list.  Owner is Mike McIntosh.  Status is Active.

i018 - absolute XPath expressions
Should there a be way to specify that a signature reference for a given
SignedPart or SignedElement must use an absolute XPath expression?
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00069.html
Added to issues list.  Owner is Mike McIntosh.  Status is Active.

i019 - supported XPath expressions
Item 2: define a limited set of XPath expressions that MUST be supported

by an implementation (and list explicitly )
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00036.html
Added to issues list.  Owner is Frederick Hirsch.  Status is Active.

d) Active issues

Issues 3, 4, 8, 9, 10 are all active.

i003 - Prateek will try to post something this week.

i004 - Paul will try to post something this week.

i008 - In progress by Editors.

i009 - Hal reported no progress.

i010 - Prateek will try to post something this week on security model
for intermediaries

5. Other business 

a) Interop document, Tony Nadalin
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200601/msg00054.html 
Tony asked how the TC should react to this document.  Gudge replied that
he was simply carrying out his action item from the F2F meeting.
Prateek thanked Gudge for posting the document and said that he may be
using it for raising issues.

b) Moving the documents to Committee Draft, Eve Maler
Eve asked what criteria the TC was going to use to create a CD for the
SX specs.  Eve explained she wanted to motivate people to review the
specs and raise issues. 

Tony noted that we don't yet have the charter finalized.  Tony also said
IBM has quite a few issues to raise and thinks it is too early to go to
CD status.  Tony said that he thinks that the TC needs time to review
the documents and does not want to create an appearance of "rubber
stamping".

Heather Hinton suggested that we have an interop first before going to
CD.
Tony suggested doing an interop at the April F2F.

Kelvin Lawrence explained that WSS had previously done interop before
going to CD.  Is this what this TC wants to do?

Marc Goodner agreed with Eve that the specs have been out for a long
time.  He also suggested that having a CD as the basis of an interop is
a good idea.  Marc volunteered to work on interop scenarios.

ACTION 2005-01-25-02 Marc Goodner to work on an initial interop
scenarios document.  Prateek Mishra also offered to help.

Marc offered to do an initial draft for SC/Trust by Feb 15 and for
SecurityPolicy by the end of February.

Rob Philpot suggested that there is a lower bar for CD's under the new
OASIS process.

Tony Nadalin asked if Marc was volunteering to work on use cases.  Marc
said no.  Heather Hinton and Tony offered to provide a use cases
document.  Prateek Mishra offered to help with both interop scenarios
and use cases.

ACTION 2005-01-25-03 Heather Hinton and Tony Nadalin to work on an
initial use cases document.  Prateek Mishra also offered to help.

Heather offered to deliver use cases by the end of February although she
said they might be able to provided intermediate progress before that.

Kelvin asked if the TC had a plan for when it could do an interop?  Eve
said that the TC members would have to be informed by the interop
documents.

Eve said the interop event does not have to F2F.  Tony note that
distributed testing is easier if the testing is more limited.

Paul Cotton pointed out that Mar standards calendar is very busy and
scheduling an interop F2F in March will be very difficult.

Eve Maler said that it's hard to assess her company's readiness until we
see the scenarios intended to be tested.

Prateek Mishra were skeptical of being ready to do interop at the April
F2F meeting.

ACTION 2005-01-25-04 Tony Nadalin will look into the possibility of
hosting an interop event at the April F2F location

6. Adjournment 

The meeting adjourned at about 8:30am PST.

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
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