Re: [ws-sx] PR Issue 3: References to non-standard specifications

[NISHIMURA Toshihiro <nishimura.toshi@jp.fujitsu.com>]

Greg,

Yes, I understand it is not required, but I "hope" such references
will be removed.

One of the reason is they are not stable specifications.
There is following notion in WS-Federation July 2003, which WS-Trust
refereces:
| The WS-Federation Specification may change before final release and
| you are cautioned against relying on the content of this
| specification.
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnglobspec/html/ws-federation.asp)
And WS-SC references WS-MEX September 2004 which has updated recently.

I don't want see references to specifications in such unstable status
in standard specifications.


Secondly, other OASIS TC(s) discussed similar issue and concluded to
remove such references.
For example, WSN TC had the following issue and the TC agreed the
approach (to remove them):
| WSN4.25: Remove references to specifications not in open standards bodies
| Remove references (under both normative and non-normative references
| sections) to specifications that are not under any open standards
| body. 
(http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/18563/WSN_IssuesList2.38.doc)


If removing such references doesn't have any effects on the
specifications, I hope they will be removed.
---
NISHIMURA Toshihiro (FAMILY Given)
nishimura.toshi@jp.fujitsu.com
STRATEGY AND TECHNOLOGY DIV., SOFTWARE UNIT, FUJITSU LIMITED

At Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:42:21 -0800,
Greg Carpenter wrote:
> The references called out in PR Issue 3 are
> non-normative. Non-normative references are not required to resolve
> to documents that have been submitted to standards org. I believe
> this issue can be closed with no action.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    -greg
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:30 AM
> > To: NISHIMURA Toshihiro; ws-sx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [ws-sx] PR Issue 3: References to non-standard specifications
> >
> > PR Issue 3
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NISHIMURA Toshihiro [mailto:nishimura.toshi@jp.fujitsu.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:09 AM
> > To: ws-sx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Cc: Marc Goodner
> > Subject: NEW Issue: References to non-standard specifications
> >
> > PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL OR START A DISCUSSISON
> > THREAD UNTIL THE ISSUE IS ASSIGNED A NUMBER.
> >
> > The issues coordinators will notify the list when that has occurred.
> >
> > Protocol:  ws-trust / ws-sc
> >
> > ws-trust-1.3-spec-cd-01
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/ws-trust/200512/ws-trust-1.3-
> > spec-cd-01.pdf
> >
> > ws-secureconversation-1.3-spec-cd-01
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/ws-secureconversation/200512/
> > ws-secureconversation-1.3-spec-cd-01.pdf
> >
> > Artifact:  spec
> >
> > Type: design
> >
> > Title: References to non-standard specifications
> >
> > Description:
> >
> > Current WS-Trust spec refers WS-Federation and WS-SC spec
> > refers WS-MetadataExchange. These referred specifications
> > have not been submitted to any standard body.
> > I hope such references will be removed.
> >
> > Related issues: none
> >
> > Proposed Resolution:
> >
> > Remove such references from Section 1.7 (Lines 197-198) and
> > Section 2 (Lines 277-274) of WS-Trust, and Section 1.7 (Lines
> > 165-167) and Section A.1 (Line 1139) of WS-SC.
> >
> > ---
> > NISHIMURA Toshihiro (FAMILY Given)
> > nishimura.toshi@jp.fujitsu.com
> > STRATEGY AND TECHNOLOGY DIV., SOFTWARE UNIT, FUJITSU LIMITED
> >
> >