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Subject: Re: [ws-sx] Issue PR020: Provide mechanism to specify signing or encryption of SwA (SOAP Messages with Attachments)


> When this proposal was discussed did we decide how to choose  
> between these two transforms from WS-SecurityPolicy?

No

>  If not I think we need to provide some additional information (an  
> attribute on sp:Attachments maybe) to make this implementation  
> complete.

An attribute sounds reasonable. Thoughts on this, especially from  
those with implementations?

Marc/Greg - perhaps we need a new issue for point Ashutosh has raised.

regards, Frederick

Frederick Hirsch
Nokia



On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:38 AM, ext Ashutosh Shahi wrote:

> Hello Frederick and Jan,
>
> WSS 1.1: SwA Profile allows two transforms for signature:  
> Attachment-Content-Signature-Transform and Attachment-Complete- 
> Signature-Transform - depending on whether we need to integrity  
> protect just the attachment or also the mime headers associated  
> with it.
>
> When this proposal was discussed did we decide how to choose  
> between these two transforms from WS-SecurityPolicy? If not I think  
> we need to provide some additional information (an attribute on  
> sp:Attachments maybe) to make this implementation complete.
>
> Thanks,
> Ashutosh
>
> Frederick Hirsch wrote:
>> Attached is red-lined proposal for issue PR020 in Word and PDF.
>>
>> The proposal contains three changes:
>>
>> 1) Add references to WSS 1.1 SwA Profile and SwA in normative  
>> references section (lines 157 and 235 in PDF)
>>
>> 2) Add definition of SignedParts/Attachment element to end of  
>> 4.1.1 (line 449 pdf) and add  <sp:Attachments />? to syntax box  
>> (line 421 pdf).
>>
>> 3) Add definition of EncryptedParts/Attachment element to end of  
>> 4.2.1 (line 530 pdf) and add  <sp:Attachments />? to syntax box  
>> (line 500 pdf).
>>
>> Note that order of signing and encryption is dealt with in 6.3  
>> with the Protection Order property and this property should also  
>> apply to attachments.
>>
>> regards, Frederick
>>
>> Frederick Hirsch
>> Nokia
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:51 PM, ext Jan Alexander wrote:
>>
>>> Frederick,
>>>
>>> Yes, that was exactly my issue. Uniformly protecting all  
>>> attachments sounds like a reasonable approach to me.
>>>
>>> I think it would help if you provide more detailed wording for  
>>> your proposal so that editors can just use it in the document  
>>> when the issue gets accepted by the TC.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Jan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Frederick Hirsch [mailto:frederick.hirsch@nokia.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:46 AM
>>> To: Jan Alexander
>>> Cc: Frederick Hirsch; ws-sx@lists.oasis-open.org; Greg Carpenter
>>> Subject: Re: [ws-sx] Issue PR020: Provide mechanism to specify  
>>> signing or encryption of SwA (SOAP Messages with Attachments)
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> Thank you for reviewing my proposal.
>>>
>>> The simplest case is to simply require all attachments to be signed/
>>> encrypted,  presumably sign first if both.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how policy author would be able to state for individual
>>> attachments since cid's are probably not available at the time  
>>> policy
>>> is written. Thus I'm not sure how to state meaningful policy at a
>>> granularity of individual attachment at policy writing time.
>>>
>>> regards, Frederick
>>>
>>> Frederick Hirsch
>>> Nokia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2007, at 1:37 PM, ext Jan Alexander wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Frederick,
>>>>
>>>> I took an action item on the last TC call to look more into your
>>>> proposal below.
>>>>
>>>> In general, I agree with the proposed solution since message
>>>> attachments are generally considered as parts of the message.
>>>> However I wonder what is your proposal for identifying individual
>>>> attachments? Since WS-SP does not depend on WSDL and is WSDL
>>>> agnostic it is not clear to me how the attachment parts are
>>>> distinguished if there is more than one attached to the message so
>>>> that the individual attachments can be mapped to the respective
>>>> protection assertion "attachment" elements in the receiver's
>>>> security policy. Or is your proposal to uniformly protect all the
>>>> message attachments by using a single "attachment" element?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> --Jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Greg Carpenter [mailto:gregcarp@microsoft.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:16 AM
>>>> To: ws-sx@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>> Cc: Frederick Hirsch
>>>> Subject: [ws-sx] Issue PR020: Provide mechanism to specify signing
>>>> or encryption of SwA (SOAP Messages with Attachments)
>>>>
>>>> Issue PR020
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Frederick Hirsch [mailto:frederick.hirsch@nokia.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:09 AM
>>>> To: WS-SX OASIS
>>>> Cc: Hirsch Frederick; Carpenter Greg
>>>> Subject: [ws-sx] NEW Issue: Provide mechanism to specify signing or
>>>> encryption of SwA (SOAP Messages with Attachments)
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL OR START A DISCUSSISON THREAD  
>>>> UNTIL
>>>> THE ISSUE IS ASSIGNED A NUMBER.
>>>>
>>>> The issues coordinators will notify the list when that has  
>>>> occurred.
>>>>
>>>> Protocol:  ws-securitypolicy
>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-sx/download.php/ 
>>>> 21401/
>>>> ws-securitypolicy-1.2-spec-cd-01.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Artifact:  spec
>>>>
>>>> Type:  design
>>>> Title: No means to express need to secure SOAP Messages with
>>>> Attachments (SwA)
>>>>
>>>> Description:
>>>>
>>>> The current specification provides no mechanism to express the
>>>> requirement to secure SOAP Messages with Attachments (SwA).
>>>>
>>>> Related issues:
>>>> None.
>>>> Proposed Resolution:
>>>>
>>>> Add to sp:SignedParts and sp:EncryptedParts sp:SignedParts/ 
>>>> Attachment
>>>> and sp:EncryptedParts/Attachment respectively.
>>>>
>>>> regards, Frederick
>>>>
>>>> Frederick Hirsch
>>>> Nokia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>



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