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Subject: Re: [ws-tx] TX timeline strawhorse


I have no desire to frazzle you. :-)

Alastair

Ian Robinson wrote:
> Speaking as a co-chair, I would prefer to chase and harry 15% of the OASIS
> membership just the once. It frazzles me. I see no compelling reason to
> separate these and go through the process twice. If WS-BA turns out to
> consume more of the TC's time than we have planned then we can revisit the
> timeline later; for now I'd prefer that we aim for a single submission of
> all 3 specs.
>
> - Ian
>
>
>
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>              Alastair Green                                                
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> Eric,
>
> I think this is a good general timeline, and it's a good point to reset the
> schedule.
>
> To avoid delay, we might want to consider submitting WS-C and WS-AT for
> approval as OASIS specs earlier than WS-BA.
>
> Detailed comments:
>
> a) The WS-BA interop is too early. I think this should start after the
> August face-to-face. The focus of the August face-to-face should be getting
> WS-BA to design-finished, interop-testable state. Getting WS-AT/WS-C to PR
> state is unlikely to be a major work item for the TC as a whole by that
> point, whereas time at the F2F is critical for resolving design issues, as
> we have seen with WS-AT.
>
> b) We should take a different tack on controlling the issue/work flow,
> based on two principles
>
> i) WS-BA is not as advanced as WS-AT/WS-C in terms of passage through the
> process, and
> ii) design issue raising should be stopped at well-defined points, but
> editorial issue raising should not be stopped until we've produced the PR
> drafts.
>
> This avoids "issue acceptance" firefights, which are a low-grade substitute
> for technical debate, but does concentrate the mind. It also allows
> editorial fine-tuning to continue without impedance, which is important as
> PR drafts are finalized.
>
> Concrete proposals:
>
> 1) Start WS-BA interop on September 4, and complete on September 18. The
> whole infrastructure/set up aspect of the interop tests will have been
> chewed away by the WS-AT process, and the WS-BA tests are less numerous. It
> can take less time, therefore, than WS-AT.
>
> 2) Impose a bar on WS-AT/C design issues (other than ones that arise
> directly from interop testing) of June 30. Continue to prioritize handling
> issues that affect interop tests. Find a way of handling editorial issues
> more in parallel (delegation of details, rather than writing by committee).
>
> 3) Strongly encourage all known, "canned" WS-BA issues to be submitted by
> June 30.
>
> 4) Impose a bar on WS-BA design issues of end of August F2F. It would be
> artificial to prevent issues being raised in the midst of a working session
> that is concentrating on finalizing the interoperable features of the spec.
>
> 5) Impose no bar on editorial issues prior to PR production: fine-tuning is
> a feature of moving a spec to public review -- the wording, clarity,
> structure etc becomes a focus in that phase, and we will end up breaking
> our own rules non-stop if we attempt to prevent editorializing.
>
> 6) Allow exceptions to the bars on design issues only by Kavi ballot: i.e.
> create a great big ramp against breaking the self-imposed ordinance, but
> have a mechanism ready for genuine exceptions.
>
> 7) I can't see the point of a face-to-face so late in the process. Change
> at that point is extremely expensive in terms of OASIS process.
>
> I assume that the October 13 start PR is for BA, not AT (a typo).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alastair
>
> Newcomer, Eric wrote:
>       Hi,
>
>       Ian and I have spent some time roughing out what we believe might be
>       a
>       doable schedule for completing the WS-TX work.  We are about halfway
>       through the year and I think it will be important for us to complete
>       our
>       work in as close to the year timeframe as possible.
>
>       Therefore as a general statement I would say we intend to lead the TC
>       into a transition phase from "discovery" or raising issues into a
>       phase
>       of thinking about finalizing the specs.
>
>       The interop events are a key part of this, and so we created the
>       timeline more or less around these, and after a certain point trying
>       to
>       focus the TC effort on fixing problems identified during the interop.
>
>       This draft timeline (below) is scheduled for discussion this Thursday
>       -
>       Agenda item 7.  We look forward to your feedback, reaction, and help.
>
>
>       Thanks, and talk with you then!
>
>       Eric
>
>       +1 781 902 8366
>       fax: +1 781 902 8009
>       blog: www.iona.com/blogs/newcomer
>       Making Software Work Together (TM)
>
>       ---------------------
>
>       June 30: All non-interop-related C/AT/BA issues to be submitted to
>       the
>       TC.  After this date the bar will be raised and the chairs will
>       organize
>       a
>       ballot (orinary majority ballot) to accept any new
>       non-interop-related
>       issues.
>
>       July 14: live endpoints for AT scenarios to become available
>
>       Aug 18: AT interop testing complete. All interop-related C/AT issues
>       to
>       have been submitted to the TC.  Work to resolve any issues. BA
>       interop
>       testing to start immediately after the completion of AT interop
>       testing.
>
>       Aug F2F (30/31): Approve WS-C, WS-AT public review (PR) drafts in
>       order
>       to start 60-day public review. Initiate public review process with TC
>       Admin.
>
>       Sep 4: Start 60 day PR for C/AT
>
>       Sep 15: BA interop testing complete. All interop-related BA issues to
>       Have hbeen submitted to the TC by this date. Work to resolve any
>       issues.
>
>       Oct 6: Produce/approve WS-BA public review (PR) drafts in order to
>       start
>       60-day public review. Initiate public review process with TC Admin.
>
>       Oct 13: Start 60 day PR for C/AT
>
>       Nov 3: C/AT PR ends. Work to resolve any issues. [1]
>
>       Nov 17: Produce/approve WS-C/AT PR report. Produce/approve committee
>       Specs for C/AT.
>
>       Nov ??: F2F (to be arranged) ??
>
>       Dec 13: WS-BA PR ends. Work to resolve any issues [2].
>
>       Jan 12: Produce/approve WS-BA PR report. Produce/approve committee
>       specs
>       for BA.
>
>       Jan 15:  Submit C/AT/BA committee specs to OASIS for OASIS standard
>       ballot.
>
>       Feb 1: OASIS to inform membership of forthcoming ballot
>
>       Feb 16: Membership ballot starts.
>
>       Feb 28: Voting period ends. All being well, we have an OASIS
>       standard.
>
>
>       [1], [2]. Any substantive changes made following the 60-day public
>       Review require a further public review period of 15 days. This will
>       move
>       the
>       schedule out.
>
>
>
>
>
>   


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