RE: [wsbpel-abstract] where is the dividing line?

["Rossomando, Philip" <Philip.Rossomando@unisys.com>]

Good point Monica: Let's try to build a list. We'll add and
Then subtract from it until we reach consensus:

My candidates are:
				1. The Customer: You are trying to
convince 				   	   you understand
his/her business
				2. Partners in the UDDI manner suggested
by SAP: 				   Here is how I behave. If you
want to do business 				   with me, this is what
you will have to do.
				3. Fellow developers/BPEL Executable
coders: Well
				   John, here is the business process as
I 					   understand it. You add the
details. I've added 				   some hints/ideas but
you fill in the blanks.

Others? 

Now the rules of the game are. Add something but say why. Remove
something
But explain your reasoning. 

Phil Rossomando
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Monica J. Martin [mailto:Monica.Martin@Sun.COM] 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:42 PM
To: Rossomando, Philip
Cc: Martin Chapman; wsbpel-abstract@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [wsbpel-abstract] where is the dividing line?

Rossomando, Philip wrote:

>Martin:
>
>The point is I don't think it's a single dividing line. 
>As you mentioned there are different audiences. What I
>Personally see is a layered structure with a movement 
>From very abstract to les and less abstract until you
>Are at an executable BPEL level. 
>
>At the highest abstraction
>Level you may not only have syntactic abstraction but
>Also semantic abstraction. Sort of writing on the back of
>A napkin. At the next level semantic abstraction may become
>More crisp but syntax may still be open to say leaving
>Things out. This would be like the total implicit approach
>Mentioned by Satish. This level may be where partner communication
>Takes place. 
>
>At the next level lower you may start to add place
>Holders. Sort of sign posts for coders. Here I would like
>To see something. You might even add comments with suggestions
>To a coder sort of constraining expectations. Finally at the 
>Lowest level you may have full blown executable BPEL. 
>  
>
mm1: Phil, I think we could provide some parameters on the level and 
extent of abstraction if we could agree on the audience we are targeting

(which hones our uses cases, business requirements, etc).