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Other points are being addressed in separate threads and I will join
those.
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Satish=20
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From: Nickolas Kavantzas [mailto:nickolas.kavantzas@oracle.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:43 PM
To: wsbpel-abstract@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: Trickovic, Ivana; Satish Thatte; Rania Khalaf
Subject: Re: [wsbpel-abstract] RE: Strawman for discussion
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Some things of interest to add for clarity:=20
-One of the points, was in a thread with Rania, myself and Satish:=20
There are only two patterns:=20
a) ExecProc--to-->AbsProc=20
b) AbsProc--to-->ExecProc=20
-Another point was that opq-activities (one type of the opaque
placeholder feature) are useful for all the patterns=20
and should not be focused just on templates. An example that was given
was using opq-activities for resolving Issue99.=20
-Rania provided an excellent analysis of the continuum of opaque
placeholders for all the patterns (I guess Rania you can=20
work as a consultant in NYC ;->) that is maybe of interest to all of us.
Since it is kind of difficult to replicate all the arguments here it may
be useful to forward the=20
relevant discussion threads to the list as context. What do you guys
think?=20
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Nick=20
"Trickovic, Ivana" wrote:=20
Satish,=20
Thanks a lot for the summary. There are still some open issues
(as you also emphasized in the document) but I do believe we made great
progress. I find the three abstract usage patterns really useful
(instead of discussing concrete use cases).=20
Regards,=20
Ivana=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Satish Thatte [mailto:satisht@microsoft.com]=20
Sent: Donnerstag, 26. August 2004 08:26=20
To: wsbpel-abstract@lists.oasis-open.org=20
Cc: Nickolas Kavantzas; Rania Khalaf; Trickovic, Ivana=20
Subject: Strawman for discussion=20
Myself and the people on the CC list have had a few exchanges
around a proposed joint statement on abstract processes. We did not
have the time to reach convergence, and as Phil pointed out, the full
discussion ought to happen in the broader group. I attach my strawman
for further discussion.=20
The formulation is entirely mine - the CC line is of course at
liberty to question and criticize any and all points in my document J=20
I will unfortunately be out of town this Friday but hope to
rejoin the discussion next week.=20
Satish=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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reason
not to forward any and all mail in our discussion to the larger group =
—
the idea of the smaller group was to get together people with strong and =
to
some degree divergent opinions to see how far we could converge, sparing =
the
rest of the group the “noise”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other points are being addressed in
separate threads and I will join those.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Nickolas
Kavantzas [mailto:nickolas.kavantzas@<st1:mswterms =
w:st=3D"on">oracle</st1:mswterms>.com]
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date
Year=3D"2004" Day=3D"26" Month=3D"8" ls=3D"trans" w:st=3D"on">August 26, =
2004</st1:date> <st1:time
Minute=3D"43" Hour=3D"12" w:st=3D"on">12:43 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
wsbpel-abstract@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Trickovic, Ivana; =
<st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Satish Thatte</st1:PersonName>; Rania Khalaf<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[wsbpel-abstract] RE:
Strawman for discussion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Some things of <i><span =
style=3D'font-style:italic'>interest</span></i>
to add for clarity: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>-One of
the points, was in a thread with Rania, myself and Satish: <br>
There are only two patterns: <br>
a) ExecProc--to-->AbsProc <br>
b) AbsProc--to-->ExecProc =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>-Another
point was that opq-activities (one type of the opaque placeholder =
feature) are
useful for all the patterns <br>
and should not be focused just on templates. An example that was given =
was
using opq-activities for resolving Issue99. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>-Rania
provided an excellent analysis of the continuum of opaque placeholders =
for all
the patterns (I guess Rania you <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>can</span></b>
<br>
work as a consultant in NYC ;->) that is maybe of interest to all of =
us. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Since it
is kind of difficult to replicate all the arguments here it may be =
useful to
forward the <br>
relevant discussion threads to the list as context. What do you guys =
think? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>-- <br>
Nick <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>"Trickovic,
Ivana" wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' TYPE=3DCITE>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Satish, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks a
lot for the summary. There are still some open issues (as you also =
emphasized
in the document) but I do believe we made great progress. I find the =
three
abstract usage patterns really useful (instead of discussing concrete =
use
cases). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Regards, <br>
Ivana <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>-----Original
Message----- <br>
From: <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Satish Thatte</st1:PersonName> [<a
href=3D"mailto:satisht@microsoft.com";>mailto:satisht@microsoft.com</a>] =
<br>
Sent: Donnerstag, 26. August 2004 08:26 <br>
To: wsbpel-abstract@lists.oasis-open.org <br>
Cc: Nickolas Kavantzas; Rania Khalaf; Trickovic, Ivana <br>
Subject: Strawman for discussion <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Myself
and the people on the CC list have had a few exchanges around a proposed =
joint
statement on abstract processes. We did not have the time to reach
convergence, and as Phil pointed out, the full discussion ought to =
happen in
the broader group. I attach my strawman for further discussion. =
<br>
The formulation is entirely mine - the CC line is of course at liberty =
to
question and criticize any and all points in my document J <br>
I will unfortunately be out of town this Friday but hope to rejoin the
discussion next week. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Satish <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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