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Subject: RE: [wsbpel-uc] Conf Call today at 4 PM ET / 1 PM PT


My comments interspersed, new doc coming in a few minutes...


-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Martin [mailto:monica.martin@sun.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:44 PM
To: Harvey Reed
Cc: 'bpel usecase'
Subject: Re: [wsbpel-uc] Conf Call today at 4 PM ET / 1 PM PT

Harvey Reed wrote:

> Absolutely!
> In the current guidelines, there is a note under "minimum coverage" to 
> remind us to have both intra and inter enterprise use cases.
> In the current catalogue, there is a table of actors that we need to 
> fill out. The actors can be owned by any legal entity. So for 
> instance, we can have say three actors within one business unit of a 
> company. One of the actors could be a person, and the other two are 
> systems, all wrapped in web services. One of our abstract use cases 
> can then describe a process that only interacts with these three actors.
mm1: I believe we also acknowledged that the legal mechanisms were 
almost certainly outside of our scope. Whether the actors are associated 
with a legal entity then, would be outside of our scope, although they 
may very well be but not explicitly in BPEL.

*** HGR> yes, legal mechanisms are outside of scope. However we need to
create a "Wally-world" model so our use cases can be clearly communicated.
We have actors owned by legal entities, so we know who is talking to whom in
our examples.

> If you agree with the above, then would either of you (Diane or 
> Monica) have time to sketch out the legal entities, actors and a 
> business flow for such an intra-enterprise use case?
mm1: You had asked about internal cases, but if I may and as others have 
said, it is quite difficult in today's market to differentiate internal 
vs. external. But, to your particular question, I have been involved in 
a particular challenging case for data compilation for a sales or 
product catalog. This is a prime example where the internal vs. external 
becomes unclear. Services could be valuable in this series of 
interactions between engineering, IT, order management, and other 
departments within an enterprise and could involve external players 
(such as other partners that provide widget A for package product B) to 
compile a functional product catalog uses for product configuration by a 
buyer. I think this gets looked over, Harvey when you concentrate too 
much on supply chain and disregard what happens before the supply chain 
is engaged.

*** HGR> I don't understand your claim that I am disregarding pre-supply
chain activities. What we have is a proposed catalogue structure that allows
for the expression of both extra and intra enterprise use cases. In fact the
catalogue stresses not to forget intra-enterprise use cases. Please clarify.

> ++Harvey
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Diane Jordan [mailto:drj@us.ibm.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:05 AM
> *To:* bpel usecase
> *Subject:* Re: [wsbpel-uc] Conf Call today at 4 PM ET / 1 PM PT
> I agree with Monica that it would be good to have some scenarios that 
> illustrate usage other than B to B - perhaps enterprise application 
> integration.
> Regards, Diane
> IBM Dynamic e-business Technologies
> drj@us.ibm.com
> (919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123
> *Monica Martin <monica.martin@sun.com>*
> 08/12/2003 07:35 AM
> To: John Evdemon <jevdemon@microsoft.com>
> cc: wsbpel-uc@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [wsbpel-uc] Conf Call today at 4 PM ET / 1 PM PT
> John Evdemon wrote:
>>Hello all,
>>This is a quick reminder about our conf call today at 4 PM ET / 1 PM PT.
>>Here is the call-in information:
>>Toll-Free (US and Canada): +1 866 500 6738
>>Toll: +1 203 480 8000
>>Passcode: 600345
>>Here is a quick agenda for today's discussion:
>>1. Discussion of Sally's template (UC Template is attached - the website
>>appears to still be down)
> mm1: I have provided comments to Sally.
>>2. Usage scenario guidelines and catalogue (see attached docs from
>>3. Discussion/selection of initial usage scenario - I would like us to
>>prep a nomination to the TC
> mm1: On items #2 and #3, the catalog appears to largely concentrate on
> B2B. Should we not approach this from a broader scope that also
> includes the enterprise, as we develop the usage scenarios and use
> cases? In addition, the addition of legal entity language seems
> premature, as we have acknowledge this is possibly an area outside of
> the scope of BPEL.

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