RE: [wsbpel-uc] Suggestion: Drop the "Visibility into SOAP Headers" suggestion

["John Evdemon" <jevdemon@microsoft.com>]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point - a process will probably
depend upon a given artifact attached to an electronic message but I
highly doubt the process will dictate how the message is attached.  (Or
maybe I just need some coffee...)

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica J. Martin [mailto:Monica.Martin@Sun.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:41 AM
> To: Frank Ryan
> Cc: John Evdemon; saskary@nuperus.com; wsbpel-uc@lists.oasis-
> open.org
> Subject: Re: [wsbpel-uc] Suggestion: Drop the "Visibility into
> SOAP Headers" suggestion
> 
> Frank Ryan wrote:
> 
> >Monica,
> >
> >I agree that a process may care deeply about anything
> associated with a
> >message.  The biggest hurdle that I see is the fact that BPEL
> acts on
> >messages as defined by a WSDL and WSDL does not take into
> account
> >message attachments.  Therefore the thought of the group is
> that this is
> >a binding issue and can not be described in a bpel file and
> that is the
> >reason that the group thought that it was better left out of
> the use
> >case group and I feel would be better addressed by the
> implementation
> >subgroup with a statement of direction/best practice for this
> subject.
> >
> >
> mm1: Do you have some input then what happens if that
> attachment
> processing affects the state of the business process, because
> the
> logical business document and associated attachments may drive
> whether
> or not the process steps proceed, regardless if BPEL
> recognizes it
> explicitly or not. I understand your premise, although I
> believe the
> team may have several items to discuss that affect the process
> but may
> not be implicitly 'within it.'
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> >Frank
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Monica J. Martin [mailto:Monica.Martin@Sun.COM]
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:46 AM
> >To: John Evdemon
> >Cc: saskary@nuperus.com; wsbpel-uc@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: Re: [wsbpel-uc] Suggestion: Drop the "Visibility
> into SOAP
> >Headers" suggestion
> >
> >
> >John Evdemon wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Sid,
> >>
> >>On today's Use Case conf call [1], it was suggested that we
> drop your
> >>suggestion called "visibility into SOAP headers".
> >>If I recall, your original suggestion dealt with a variety
> of topics
> >>
> >>
> >but
> >
> >
> >>drilled into attachments.
> >>You even offered a simple use case regarding healthcare and
> large
> >>attachments [2].
> >>
> >>Since business processes do not typically care about how an
> artifact is
> >>attached to a message, this is probably out of scope for us.
> >>The participants on today's call seemed to agree with this
> fact and
> >>thought we should drop this potential scenario.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >mm1: Actually, in the logical sense, a business process may
> care about
> >an artifact being attached to a message. Perhaps as I
> suggested on the
> >previous use case, you should pend for more near-term cases.
> If the
> >processing affects the status of the business process, would
> we not care
> >
> >about it?
> >
> >
> >
> >>Please reply if you have any questions, concerns or
> objections.
> >>
> >>Sincerely,
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>[1]
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel-
> uc/download.php/453
> >>0
> >>/2003-12-15%20Meeting%20Minutes.PDF
> >>[2]
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel-
> uc/download.php/452
> >>
> >>
> >5
> >
> >
> >>/2003-12-01%20Meeting%20Minutes.pdf
> >>
> >>
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