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Subject: Re: [wsbpel] The sad tail of obtaining licenses for BPEL4WS1.1mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org

OASIS still owes us a status report on how they're doing at negotiating with
the authors.  they were a no-show at our last face-to-face when that was on
the agenda.  one question on my mind is Can we produce a standard where
licensing is in this kind of shape?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Ross-Talbot" <steve@enigmatec.net>
To: "ws bpel tc" <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
Cc: <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>;
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:12 AM
Subject: [wsbpel] The sad tail of obtaining licenses for BPEL4WS

> Dear all,
> A sad tail about the of licensing BPEL4WS1.1.
> As some of you may remember  the issues of licensing and license
> mechanisms were raised at the start of the TC. We were all assured
> that even though there are 5 authors of the BPEL4WS1.1 specification -
> the base for the TC -  we should not worry. It would all be fine and
> the authors would figure out a way to ensure that those who are
> interested would be able to obtain licenses without any real
> hinderance.
> So mid Sept2003 I embarked on license discovery. A little known process
> to obtain the 5 license agreements from the 5 authors of the BPEL4WS1.1
> specification.
> On the web I managed to get licenses from Microsoft (thanks) and BEA
> (thanks). And within a month from SAP (thanks to them also) too.
> IBM and Siebel had no web available licensing (as far as I could tell).
> I sent in a request to IBM late October, having waited passively for
> some information about the licenses from the TC, and (several people
> and emails later) I am still waiting for a license from IBM. The latest
> news, despite the fact that I have an outstanding email into IBM, is
> that a license agreement from them is on the Oasis website (dated June
> 2003!). Why was this not pointed out in October you may ask? A case of
> the X-files and standards you may think.
> With Siebel the plot thickens. Finally I got to someone (19th November)
> who seemed to know about the license issues. But ... and I know this
> sounds like I made it up .... I finally get a response that says:
> "I should have pointed you to Oasis rather than Diane Jordan at IBM."
> Which brings me all the way back to the original email I sent to Diane
> late in October. Now I feel like Bill Murray in "Ground Hog Day".
> It is a sad tail of how licenses and standards do not mix.
> I am now at a loss as to how to proceed. Seems like we now have a
> deadlock. The TC chairs thinking it is the authors responsibility and
> at least one of the authors thinking it is Oasis's responsibility.
> If anyone our there has actually succeeded in getting all 5 license
> agreements could they share the secret of their success with the group
> so that we may all contribute on an equal footing.
> As to what I think should be done as a minimum ... it is simple. Oasis
> should own the contact points for such license agreements and the
> authors should sign-up to ensuring that this sort of information is
> sorted out *before* they start a TC so that we can play on a level
> playing field.
> Best regards
> Steve Ross-Talbot
> Chief Scientist Enigmatec Corp.
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