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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Licensing Issues With BPEL
I don't know if I'm helping or not, but one could view it as there are two votes: 1. the TC vote to make the then-spec a Committee Draft - franchise is the then membership of the committee 2. the OASIS vote to make the Committee Draft an OASIS standard - franchise is the member company's of the committee The thing is that on the OASIS vote, it is the whole company voting, including its legal department (or so I perceive it). But since it takes some time for a re-vote if the OASIS vote is lost, it would be helpful to get these things sorted out earlier - and TC members may wish to let their vote at CD level be informed by the view of their company as a whole, rather than purely technical issues. Peter, speaking personally > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny van der Rijn [mailto:dannyv@tibco.com] > Sent: 22 March 2004 23:12 > To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: [wsbpel] Licensing Issues With BPEL > > > As has been pointed out many times to me, I am not a lawyer. > However, given that I see no lawyers discussing these issues, > that leaves it up to the technical committee to discuss these issues. > > Note that one does not have to be a lawyer to discuss legal > issues. One only needs to be affected by the issues. The > job of a lawyer is to codify > intentions in an unambiguous, if often unintelligible, > fashion. Those > intentions must come from somewhere. And again, in the > absence of other discussions taking place elsewhere, it is > necessary to voice intentions in this committee that we wish > to influence. > > At the end of the process of this technical committee, a vote > will be taken on the specification. It will be the only > vote. It is not possible, for instance to vote Yes on the > technical merits of the specification, and No on the legal > merits. We're only given one shot. If the goal of the > specification is to become widely adopted, the current legal > situation will prevent that, and therefore I believe that > many of us will be forced to vote No. > > The following is a SHORT list that I came up with, in > consultation with our lawyers. Note that any errors are > mine, and were not made by my lawyers. These issues all > assume that cross-licensing will take place. It would be all > the better if the Author Companies put their IP in the public domain. > > ) Each of the 5 licenses comes with different verbiage, > terms, and methods of executing them. The 5 companies should > develop a standard agreement, with standard methods of > execution. While there probably need to be 5 licenses, there > is little reason that they should be separate. Our lawyer's > conservative estimate is that the current 5 licenses would > require about 8 hours of time from a lawyer at approximately > $350/hour. That's $2800 for each licensee that's just sunk > into wasted time. And that's if the company just wants to > accept the terms at face value. > > ) How much will it cost for each anal legal department to ask > some subset of these questions to the licensors and get them > answered to their satisfaction? > > ) Just as an example of the differences, SAP says that we may > refer to an executed agreement in press releases; IBM says we > may not. A difference like this may seem trivial, but > tracking these kinds of issues is expensive enough for a > single agreement. > > ) Any license that is granted to us, MUST be sublicensable. > The current license from SAP requires that if we OEM a > product which contains BPEL, our OEM is not covered under our license. > > ) IBM prohibits a licensee from having products "being made > by a third party." The prohibition is unclear as to whether > it relates to contract companies either for development, > testing, or manufacturing. > > ) SAP's license requires licensed companies to get consent > from SAP in the event of a merger. That hardly seems RAND. > > If there is a desire to discuss a longer list, and I hope > there will be, I can bring my lawyers back into the discussion. > > Danny van der Rijn > TIBCO Software > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from > the roster of the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/members/le ave_workgroup.php.
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