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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Re: Issue 34 - Proposal for vote
Notice I carefully said "abstraction relative to a standards proposal" which *could* mean that we don't bind ourselves to a fixed namespace, depending on emerging timelines. I don't think we will delay finishing BPEL just because we are waiting for other standards work to be completed. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:59 AM To: Satish Thatte; ygoland@bea.com; 'Ron Ten-Hove' Cc: 'Francisco Curbera'; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Re: Issue 34 - Proposal for vote No offence to W3C, but they wouldn't have anything usable for at least 18 months. Do we want to delay BPEL that long? Martin. >-----Original Message----- >From: Satish Thatte [mailto:satisht@microsoft.com] >Sent: 26 May 2004 15:59 >To: ygoland@bea.com; Ron Ten-Hove >Cc: Francisco Curbera; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Re: Issue 34 - Proposal for vote > > >I agree with Yaron on this. I suspect we will have to employ >some abstraction relative to a standards proposal because, >unlike WSDL 2.0, we have no established prior art to take a >dependency on -- at least I haven't seen anyone propose such >an alternative dependency. > >________________________________ > >From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com] >Sent: Tue 5/25/2004 11:34 PM >To: Ron Ten-Hove >Cc: Francisco Curbera; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Re: Issue 34 - Proposal for vote > > > >Issue 34 is not, to the best of my knowledge, an issue upon >which there are a large number of dependencies. Furthermore, >there is nothing inherent in the W3C process that would >prohibit rapid progress on a spec with full adoption in a time >span that is shorter than the expected lifespan of this group. >Therefore I support delaying a vote on this issue while we see >what happens in the W3C. > > Yaron > >Ron Ten-Hove wrote: > >> >> >> Paco, >> >> I appreciate your response, but I respectfully have to >say that I >> still don't understand the value of delay. To address your points: >> >> Let us suppose that we do delay, and that in two or >three months a >> W3C working group is created to develop WS-MD/WS-A into public >> specifications. Could we, the WS-BPEL TC, then take a dependency on >> this anticipated new specification? The answer is clearly no, as the >> WSDL 2.0 precedent you cited shows. Therefore waiting for such a >> working group to form is rather pointless. Or had you in mind >> something different from a dependency on such a specification? >> >> Our TC has a large number of outstanding issues to be resolved, >> many of which "interact" with each other. The sooner we resolve some >> issues, the easier it will be to resolve the remaining ones. We do >> have a limited amount of time available [1], and deliberate delays >> will ultimately delay the completion of our work. (This TC >formed over >> a year ago; my eldest child has grown over ten centimetres in that >> time span! :-) >> >> -Ron >> >> [1] Our charter states that "The final draft of the resultant >> specification will be due within 9 months of the first >meeting", so we >> are already late. >> >> Francisco Curbera wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >Ron, >> > >> >I was pointing out that things seem to be moving, after the recent >> w3c >submission. Waiting for standards is clearly not a >requirements, >> as our >position wrt WSDL 2.0 shows. on the other hand, if a >> submitted document >were to become the seed of a working group we >> would have a clear reference >point to build upon. Since a delay of >> this decision comes at essentially no >> >price, it seems unnecessary to rush to close it. >> > >> >Paco >> > >> > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from >the roster >> of the OASIS TC), go to >> >http://www.oasis->open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/members/leave_work >> group.php. >> >> > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >roster of the OASIS TC), go to >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/members/lea ve_workgroup.php. To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS TC), go to http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/members/leave_workgr oup.php.
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