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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a Registry" .......


I'm not sure if anyone has time to work on such a document.  Besides, won't this just distract from the BPEL/UDDI paper?  

Who supports Reg/Rep? 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica J. Martin [mailto:Monica.Martin@Sun.COM] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:39 PM
> To: Eckenfels. Bernd; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> Cc: Farrukh Najmi
> Subject: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a Registry" .......
> 
> I would also suggest we consider a technical note using Reg/Rep and 
> WS-BPEL as well. Also a recognized OASIS standard, Reg/Rep has also 
> recently published a WSRP technical note on managing WSRP artifacts 
> (WSRP is also at OASIS) [1]. Thanks.
> 
> [1] Suggested links (Note particularly [e], [g] and WSRP 
> technical note [j]:
> [a] [Ann] freebXML Registry version 3.0-alpha2 release 
> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=385589
> [b] freebXML Registry http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net
> [c] Reference Deployments of freebXML Registry 
> http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/aboutFAQ/About_freebXML_Registr
> y.html#Deployments 
> 
> [d] ebXML Registry 2.1 Specifications (Approved OASIS and ISO 
> Standard) 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/documents/2.1/specs
> [e] ebXML Registry 2.6 Specifications (Latest preliminary 3.0 drafts)
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/8475/ebRIM-2.6.doc
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/8476/ebRS-2.6.doc
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/documents/2.5/specs
> [f] ebXML Registry Technical Committee
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
> [g] Web Content Management using ebXML Registry (XML Europe 2003):
> http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/xmlEurope2004/xml
> Europe2004-webcm-ebxmlrr.ppt 
> 
> http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/xmlEurope2004/xml
> Europe2004-webcm-ebxmlrr.sxi 
> 
> http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/xmlEurope2004/04-
> 02-02.pdf
> [h] Java API for XML Registries  
> http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=93
> [i] LDAP, UDDI and ebXML Registry feature comparison matrix 
> http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/tmp/Registry_Capability_Matrix.html
> [j] Using ebXML Registry to Manage WSRP Artifacts 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/7538/wsrp-pf
b-ebxml-tn-draft-05.pdf 
> 
> 
> 
> >Eckenfels: Dannys observation also applies to the 2-party 
> case. It is not very helpfull for external partners to 
> publish your own process. If they want to interface with you, 
> the need the Abstract representation of the Process they have 
> to implement. Of course publishing your opwn process abstrac 
> makes sense in other situations like sharing your engeneering efford.
> >
> >I totally agree that this TN should wait of the outcome of 
> the abstract subgroup and the abstrac subgroup should use the 
> "publish in uddi" as a major usecase.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Francisco Curbera [mailto:curbera@us.ibm.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:27 PM
> >To: Danny van der Rijn
> >Cc: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: Re: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" 
> OASIS UDDI Spec
> >TC Technical Note - Review Requested
> >
> >I don't think Bernd's use case assumes a multiparty 
> scenario. The TN seems
> >to cover reasonably well the 2 party case; it also seems 
> reasonable to
> >start with that simple case (since almost everyone 
> understands it) but
> >eventually we'll want to figure out whether or when a 
> multiparty BPEL would
> >need to be registered in UDDI.
> >
> >Paco                                                         
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>                  
> >Danny van der                                                
>                                                               
>            Rijn                     To:       
> wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org                                   
>                  
> >                      <dannyv@tibco.com        cc:           
>                                                               
>              
> >                      >                        Subject:  Re: 
> [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" OASIS UDDI Spec 
> TC Technical   
> >                                                Note - 
> Review Requested                                              
>                    
> >                      08/05/2004 04:19                       
>                                                               
>              
> >                      PM                                     
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> >
> >i agree with the sentiment of your note, bernd.  however, 
> according to my
> >reading of the TN, that (multi-party) usage isn't covered.  
> what the travel
> >agency can register is the abstract BPEL that describes 
> THEIR OWN behavior,
> >and not a "you implement this" abstract BPEL.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Eckenfels. Bernd
> >To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:54 AM
> >Subject: RE: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" 
> OASIS UDDI Spec TC
> >Technical Note - Review Requested
> >
> >Hello Danny,
> >
> >for a service provider (i.e. TravelAgency) it makes sense to 
> publish an
> >abstract BPEL PRocess which describes as a template how a 
> Process of a
> >TravelAgent has to look like. AbstractBPEL cannot describe 
> the observal
> >overall process, but it can describe in an abstract way the exepcted
> >sequence of invocations (and therefore also the offered ports).
> >
> >I think the UDDI TN is nearly compelte in that respect, only 
> the wording
> >"observal state" needs to be changed.
> >
> >Also I wonder if the Process Local Name needs to have its 
> own attribut in
> >the tModel/Bag, but I am not very familiar with UDDI.
> >
> >      -----Original Message-----
> >      From: Danny van der Rijn [mailto:dannyv@tibco.com]
> >      Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:52 PM
> >      To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> >      Subject: Re: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI 
> registry" OASIS UDDI
> >      Spec TC Technical Note - Review Requested
> >
> >      as i said in conference today, i am afraid that the 
> UDDI TC is even
> >      more confused about what Abstract BPEL is than we are. 
>  other than
> >      pointing out even more strongly the importance of getting our
> >      definition of Abstract BPEL pinned down, i think that this note
> >      should lead us in 2 directions:
> >
> >      1) finding out why someone would want to register an 
> Abstract BPEL
> >      with UDDI.
> >      2) changing the name of Abstract BPEL.  this is not 
> the first time
> >      i've seen someone confuse the relationship between 
> Abstract BPEL and
> >      Executable BPEL to conflate it with the relationship 
> between Abstract
> >      WSDL and Concrete WSDL, and unless we change the name, 
> i'm sure it
> >      won't be the last.
> >
> >      i admit, i haven't read the UDDI proposal referenced 
> in this note,
> >      but i feel pretty safe in my assumption without having read it.
> >
> >      danny
> >       ----- Original Message -----
> >       From: Luc Clement
> >       To: drj@us.ibm.com ; jevdemon@microsoft.com
> >       Cc: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org ; 
> wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org ;
> >       Karl F. Best ; James Bryce Clark ; Mary McRae ; Tony Rogers
> >       Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:58 PM
> >       Subject: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" 
> OASIS UDDI Spec
> >       TC Technical Note - Review Requested
> >
> >       Dear WSBPEL Chairs,
> >       The UDDI Spec TC has been working on a "Using BPEL4WS 
> in a UDDI
> >       registry" Technical Note (TN) that it would like your input on
> >       before proceeding to ratify this TN.
> >       The TN provides a mapping for publishing BPEL4WS 
> abstract processes
> >       into a UDDI registry. The primary goals of mapping 
> BPEL4WS artifacts
> >       to the UDDI model are to:
> >          1. Enable the automatic registration of BPEL4WS 
> definitions in
> >             UDDI
> >          2. Enable optimized and flexible UDDI queries 
> based on specific
> >             BPEL4WS artifacts and metadata
> >          3. Provide composability with the mapping 
> described in the "Using
> >             WSDL in a UDDI Registry, Version 2.0.2" [1] 
> Technical Note.
> >       We would like to invite the BPEL TC to review and 
> comment on the
> >       document and ask that you assign two or more reviewers.
> >       The TN is posted at the following locations by format:
> >             PDF:
> >             
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/uddi-spec/downloa
d.php/8442/uddi-spec-tc-tn-bpel-20040725.pdf
> >
> >             MSWord:
> >             
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/uddi-spec/downloa
d.php/8441/uddi-spec-tc-tn-bpel-20040725.doc
> >
> >       We would appreciate comments as soon as possible but 
> preferably
> >       before 31 Aug 04. Please submit comments:
> >             To: Claus von Riegen, SAP (claus.von.riegen@sap.com),
> >             cc: (UDDI Chairs): luc.clement@systinet.com;
> >             tony.rogers@ca.com
> >             cc: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> >       Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> >       Luc Clément
> >       Co-Chair OASIS UDDI Spec TC
> >       Systinet Corporation
> >       Tel: +1.617.395.6798
> >
> >
> >       [1] OASIS UDDI Spec TC Technical Note: "Using WSDL in a UDDI
> >       Registry, Version 2.0.2",
> >       
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/uddi-spec/doc/tns.htm#WSDLTNV2
> >  
> >
> 
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