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Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue 189: Eliminate JoinConditions always evaluatingonly after all source activities are complete


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Yaron Y. Goland wrote:

> This issue is, in my opinion, a feature request.
> 
> The BPEL specification was explicitly defined to put in place a control 
> dependency between the source and target of a link. In fact, exactly 
> that language is used in section 6.1.
> 
> In other words, one of the primary purposes of a link is ordering and 
> that ordering applies regardless of the outcome of the join condition.
> 
> This issue would have us change that behavior, not because it is faulty 
> but because it is inefficient. But that inefficiency was a known side 
> effect of the design and was accepted by the designers in return for 
> allowing explicitly ordering control.
> 
> Therefore there is no bug here per say. Rather there is a desire to 
> change a feature to work in a different way. That is a feature request 
> and therefore I believe this issue should go through the super-majority 
> voting process before being accepted.
> 
>         Yaron
> 
> 
> Tony Fletcher wrote:
> 
>> This issue has been added to the wsbpel issue list with a status of 
>> "received". The status will be changed to "open" if the TC accepts it 
>> as identifying a bug in the spec or decides it should be accepted 
>> specially. Otherwise it will be closed without further consideration 
>> (but will be marked as "Revisitable")
>>
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>>     
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>>
>>
>>     Issue 189: Eliminate JoinConditions always evaluating only after 
>> all source
>>     activities are complete
>>
>> *Status:* received
>> *Date added:* 29 Jan 2005
>> *Categories:* State management 
>> <file:///C:/Perlscripts/wsbpel_issues30.html#category_state_management>
>> *Date submitted:* 27 January 2005
>> *Submitter:* Prasad Yendluri <mailto:pyendluri@webmethods.com>
>> *Document:* WS-BPEL Working Draft, December, 2004
>> *Description:* The BPEL specification currently requires that a 
>> joinCondition on a target activity be evaluated only after all sources 
>> activities for the links coming into it are complete, whether or not 
>> the the joinCondition calls for it. In situations such as an activity 
>> needs only one of its source activities to be complete (as in the case 
>> of an implicit-join), it is unnecessary with serious performance 
>> implications to require that all source activities must be complete 
>> prior to evaluating the join condition.
>>
>> *Submitter's proposal:* The specification must eliminate this built-in 
>> inefficiency and facilitate evaluation of joinCondition each time an 
>> incoming link has a status change, *as an option* on the joinCondition 
>> or as a process/scope level enabler.
>>
>> *Links:* (Note considerable discussion before formal raising of an 
>> issue)     Prasad Yendluri, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00080.html>     
>> Danny van der Rijn, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00081.html>    
>> Prasad Yendluri, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00082.html>     
>> Dieter Koenig1, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00084.html>     
>> Prasad Yendluri, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00087.html>     
>> Danny van der Rijn, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00088.html>    
>> Prasad Yendluri, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00089.html>     
>> Tony Fletcher, 27 Jan 2004 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00090.html>     
>> Danny van der Rijn, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00091.html>    
>> Prasad Yendluri, 27 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00092.html>     
>> Announcement, 29 Jan 2005 
>> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200501/msg00109.html>
>> *Changes:* 29 Jan 2005 - new issue
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Tony/                           /
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