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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 229 - Fault handling and compensation handling allows selective compensation of child scopes


Hi Alastair,

Isn't it already possible to break this reverse order invariant by
having the user explicitly compensate named scopes:

<scope name="root">
    <faultHandlers>
        <catchAll>
          <compensate scope="a">
          <compensate scope="b"> <!-- does not follow reverse order -->
        </catchAll>
    </faultHandlers>
    <compensationHandler>
        <compensate scope="a">
    </compensationHandler>
    <sequence>
      <scope name="a">
      ...
      </scope>
      <scope name="b">
      ...
      </scope>
      <scope name="c">
      ...
      </scope>
</sequence>

If so, it seems to me that parameterized compensation handlers are
already needed. And this scenario is not very different from the
proposed solution n. 4:

	  <catchAll>
          <compensate scope="a">
          <compensate /> <!-- default compensation -->
        </catchAll>

I do think we should open this issue. 

I would volunteer that one possible solution to this problem could be to
(conditionally) raise a fault if the reverse order invariant is broken.

Best regards,
Alexandre

-----Original Message-----
From: Green, Alastair J. [mailto:Alastair.Green@choreology.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:48 AM
To: chris.keller@active-endpoints.com; Yuzo Fujishima;
wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 229 - Fault handling and compensation
handling allows selective compensation of child scopes

I think I disagree with the premise of this issue, that a change is
needed in this area.

The default behaviour, as I recall, is that the compensation handlers of
children will be processed in reverse order of scope processing.

This facility allows an override, to permit selective and partial
reversals. 

If this is removed then the process designer is forced to create shared
state to parameterize compensation handlers such that they know the
context in which they have been called, which is more fragile,
error-prone and difficult to code than allowing parental dictation.

Unless I am missing something, there is no compulsion to use this
feature. It seems like a useful facility, and a case of caveat emptor.

Alastair 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Keller [mailto:chris.keller@active-endpoints.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2005 16:45
To: 'Yuzo Fujishima'; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 229 - Fault handling and compensation
handling allows selective compensation of child scopes

Hi Yuzo,

Interesting suggestion.

I have one question on your option.  If a user creates a catch block for
a
fault or a compensation handler that doesn't use <compensate/> will
compensation handling of child scopes be done before or after the user's
code or not at all?

One disadvantage of the suggestion is that if you have invokes not in a
scope of their own (or declaring a compensation handler of its own) then
the
user may need to interleave its compensation with that of child scopes.
That
requires the user to dictate the order of compensation which would be
prohibited by this option.  Of course we could say the user must add a
compensation handler directly to the invoke itself for appropriate
interleaving with child scopes, which is probably the lesser of evils.

- Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Yuzo Fujishima [mailto:fujishima@bc.jp.nec.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:32 PM
To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 229 - Fault handling and compensation
handling
allows selective compensation of child scopes

Chris,

I would like to propose the fifth option:

5. Disallow specifying the target scope for the compensate activity.
   I.e., legal:   <compensate/>
         illegal: <compensate scope="...*/>
   Have the compensation handler of the scope, not the caller,
   decide whether the compensation should be done.

Rationale:

I think the source of the problem is that
the current specification makes the caller of the compensation handlers
decide which scopes should be compensated while only each scope's
compensation handler knows how and if compensation needs to be done.

Yuzo

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>     Issue - 229 - Fault handling and compensation handling allows
>     selective compensation of child scopes
> 
> *Status:* received
> *Date added:* 26 Sep 2005
> *Categories:* Compensation <#category_compensation>
> *Date submitted:* 21 September 2005
> *Submitter:* Chris Keller <mailto:chris.keller@active-endpoints.com>
> *Description:* Currently fault handling and compensation handling
allows 
> users to selectively compensate work done by child scopes. This can
lead 
> to errors in the process especially as users change their processes
over 
> time. In addition it does not seem to be in the spirit of the BPEL
fault 
> handling and compensation handling model in general (as well as good 
> modular programming practice). Take the following example:
> 
> <scope name="root">
>    <faultHandlers>
>        <catchAll>
>          <compensate scope="a">
>        </catchAll>
>    </faultHandlers>
>    <compensationHandler>
>        <compensate scope="a">
>    </compensationHandler>
>    <sequence>
>      <scope name="a">
>      ...
>      </scope>
>      <scope name="b">
>      ...
>      </scope>
>      <scope name="c">
>      ...
>      </scope>
> </sequence>
> 
> If a fault is caused by scope "c" the catchAll will only compensate
"a" 
> leaving "b" uncompensated. Let's assume programmer 1 created the
process 
> and didn't bother to compensate "b" since "b" at that time didn't do
any 
> real work. Now programmer 2 picks up that process later and adds real 
> work and a compensation handler for it to scope "b" not realizing that

> the catchAll will not compensate "b" and that the work will not be 
> compensated.
> 
> Additionally if the real work added to scope "b" was accomplished by 
> programmer 2 by adding a child scope "b1" to "b". Programmer 2 looking

> at scope "b" may think that default compensation handling is in place 
> and feel safe that their new work will be compensated. Not realizing 
> that the scope "root" has selectively chosen not to compensate "b" and

> thereby "b1" in the process.
> 
> Possible solutions:
> 
>    1. After user defined fault handling and compensation handling is
>       executed default handling will execute to compensate all other
>       completed child scopes left uncompensated.
>    2. If after user defined fault handling and compensation handling
is
>       executed there remains child scopes that have not been
compensated
>       throw an bpws:missingCompensation exception.
>    3. Do nothing and say selective compensation is legal and good. And
>       add a note that users should take care when changing business
>       processes to ensure that user defined fault handling and
>       compensation handling call compensate on the child scopes
correctly.
>    4. Same as 3 with one exception after a user calls <compensate
>       name="..."> allow them to call <compensate/> which will
compensate
>       all remaining child scopes in the default order. This would
>       require changing the following text at the end of section
13.3.3:
>       "Note that the <compensate/> activity in a fault or compensation
>       handler attached to scope S causes the default-order invocation
of
>       compensation handlers for completed scopes directly nested
within
>       S. The use of this activity can be mixed with any other
>       user-specified behavior except the explicit invocation of
>       <compensate scope="Sx"/> for scope Sx nested directly within S.
>       Explicit invocation of compensation for such a scope nested
within
>       S disables the availability of default-order compensation, as
>       expected." 
> 
> 
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