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Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue 255 - Proposal for vote



Hi Danny and others,

After more thinking, the nature of XSLT artifact is not exactly like WSDL artifact. BPEL makes uses of WSDL only as an interface definition language (i.e. the abstract part of WSDL). On the other hand, BPEL makes uses of XSLT more than an interface. It make uses of its execution logic as well. The interface parts of XSLT are its global parameters and input documents. The execution logic is XSLT's transformation logic.

I guess the intention of wording is to highlight the XSLT artifact can be updated during runtime, its transformation logic can be changed as long as its interface with BPEL remains intact / defined after the change.

That's why I changed from my "on-the-fence" position to "no" regarding removal of those wordings.

I don't think a complete removal of such wordings is a good choice.

How about the following: (based on Danny's suggested wording)

The first XPath function parameter, which locates the style sheet, is intended to have the similar semantics as the location attribute of an <import> element. The differences are only in syntax. Style sheets associated with a process (through its doXslTransform invocations) SHOULD be considered part of the process definition, and in
most situations would not change at run-time in a similar manner to WSDL definitions and XML Schemas referenced by an <import> element.  
However, WS-BPEL processors MAY dynamically update associated style sheets at run-time, as long as all requirements of this specification are still met (in particular, the semantics of "atomic" assignment and
serialized scopes). Transformation logic inside style sheets MAY be updated dynamically during process run-time, as long as its interface (e.g. its parameters) with the process definition remains intact.  


I guess people may still need to think more about the last sentence ("Transformation ...") added there.  I tend to think it better captures the difference between a WSDL and an XSLT.  It may answer people's question on why this statement needs to be here but not for WSDL. Actually, this difference applies not just to XSLT, but to any future artifact that combines "interface"+"execution-logic".

I am open to more rewording of the last sentence.


Thanks!



Regards,
Alex Yiu



Danny van der Rijn wrote:
I propose the following choice of alternatives:

Alternative A:
In Section 8.4

Change:
      Style sheets associated with a process (through its doXslTransform
      invocations) are considered part of the process definition, and in
      most situations would not change at run-time. However, WS-BPEL
      processors MAY dynamically update associated style sheets at
      run-time, as long as all requirements of this specification are still
      met (in particular, the semantics of "atomic" assignment and
      serialized scopes).
  


To:

      The first XPath function parameter, which names the style sheet, is intended
      to have the same semantics as the location attribute of an <import> element.
      The differences are only in syntax.
      Style sheets associated with a process (through its doXslTransform
      invocations) SHOULD be considered part of the process definition, and in
      most situations would not change at run-time 
      in a similar manner to WSDL definitions and XML Schemas referenced by an <import> element.  
      However, WS-BPEL
      processors MAY dynamically update associated style sheets at
      run-time, as long as all requirements of this specification are still
      met (in particular, the semantics of "atomic" assignment and
      serialized scopes).
  


Alternative B (comes without spec wording at the moment):

- Add another importType, http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform.
- Require the first parameter of doXslTransform to be a string literal that matches an <import>ed "location" of the XSLT importType stated above.

Danny

Simon D Moser wrote:
Hi all,

as discussed in the Call today, I move to vote on my submitters proposal to
remove the text mentioned below from section 8.4

Status: received
Date added: 25 Mar 2006
Categories: Other specifications
Date submitted: 24 March 2006
Submitter: Simon Moser
Description: The Text 8.4 about the dynamicity of XSLT should be removed


In Section 8.4, there is some text (which used to be a footnote):


      Style sheets associated with a process (through its doXslTransform
      invocations) are considered part of the process definition, and in
      most situations would not change at run-time. However, WS-BPEL
      processors MAY dynamically update associated style sheets at
      run-time, as long as all requirements of this specification are still
      met (in particular, the semantics of "atomic" assignment and
      serialized scopes).
We (TC at f-t-f, Stuttgart) think that talking about dynamically changing
of XSLT artifacts is out of scope for the specification, since we do not
talk about dynamically changing WSDL or XSD files that are referenced from
the process, too.


Cheers
/Simon
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Business Process Solutions Development 1
IBM Boeblingen Laboratory
Schoenaicherstr. 220, 01/086
D - 71032 Boeblingen
Tel.: +49 - 7031 - 164304
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email: smoser@de.ibm.com

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possible.



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