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Subject: Re: [wsdm] [Fwd: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of OGSI and Web Services]
Ian sent this earlier today... I gather that WSDM is planning on scheduling time on a TC call to discuss the issues raised by this document. Can you please wait on this discussion until after we have released our position statement? -Steve >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:21:17 -0500 >From: Ian Foster <foster@mcs.anl.gov> >Subject: Re: New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web > Services Specifications and Practises" >In-Reply-To: <BC28A9E979C56C44BCBC2DED313A447001EC3AD8@bond.ncl.ac.uk> > >Savas: > >As you might imagine, the OGSI authors disagree profoundly with many >aspects of your analysis of OGSI and what is "acceptable" Web services >practice and what is not. > >A number of us are preparing a position statement summarizing our views on >how to handle state in a Web services context. Due to travel schedules, it >will be at least a week before it is ready. So I wanted to let you know we >are not ignoring you, but are working on our contribution to the debate. > >Regards -- Ian. At 11:50 AM 8/21/2003, Fred Carter wrote: >-- >Fred Carter / AmberPoint, Inc. > >mailto:fred.carter@amberpoint.com >tel:+1.510.433.6525 fax:+1.510.663.6301 > > > >Received: from mail.oasis-open.org (mail.oasis-open.org [209.202.168.102]) > by red.amberpoint.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7DFKNum026668 > for <fred.carter@amberpoint.com>; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:20:23 -0700 > (PDT) >Received: (qmail 32205 invoked by uid 508); 13 Aug 2003 15:01:09 -0000 >Mailing-List: contact wsdm-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >List-Post: <mailto:wsdm-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> >List-Help: <mailto:wsdm-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wsdm-comment-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org> >List-Subscribe: <mailto:wsdm-comment-subscribe@lists.oasis-open.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list wsdm-comment@lists.oasis-open.org >Received: (qmail 32196 invoked by uid 60881); 13 Aug 2003 15:01:09 -0000 >Message-ID: <3F3A5727.8090108@mitre.org> >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:20:07 -0400 >From: John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org> >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5a) >Gecko/20030718 >X-Accept-Language: en,pdf >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: WSDM TC Comments <wsdm-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="------------000300000509000906000805" >Subject: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of OGSI and Web Services > >Hello, > >I don't follow the OGSI WG email, but had this forwarded to me by a >colleague at MITRE. > >I have to admit that I am not an expert on OGSI, but this isn't long and >makes some interesting points that seem to relate to some of our own arguments. > >I deleted the attachment on the theory that the email itself has a URL >where people who are interested can download it. > >It would be nice if those more involved in the OGSI can provide some >informed commentary on this. > >Thanks. > >-- > >John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own >email: jdecarlo@mitre.org >voice: 703-883-7116 >fax: 703-883-3383 >DISA cube: 703-882-0593 > > >Return-Path: <grdfm-owner-ogsi-wg@mcs.anl.gov> >Received: from smtpsrv1.mitre.org ([129.83.20.101]) by > mailsrv2a.mitre.org (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP > id HJIUR400.SSW for <mularz@mailsrv2.mitre.org>; 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> boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36108.5CE59AD9" >Subject: [ogsi-wg] New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web >Services Specifications and Practises" >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:31:44 +0100 >Message-ID: <BC28A9E979C56C44BCBC2DED313A447001EC3AD8@bond.ncl.ac.uk> >X-MS-Has-Attach: yes >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web >Services Specifications and Practises" >Thread-Index: AcNhCEiroAb1teXGQJiLa3YYfDpL2A== >From: "Savas Parastatidis" <Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk> >To: "Tony Hey" <Tony.Hey@epsrc.ac.uk>, "Ian Foster" <foster@mcs.anl.gov>, > "Malcolm Atkinson" <mpa@inf.ed.ac.uk>, "Jim Gray" <gray@microsoft.com>, > "Steve Tuecke" <tuecke@mcs.anl.gov>, "Steve Graham" <sggraham@us.ibm.com>, > <gcf@indiana.edu>, "Dave Pearson" <Dave.Pearson@oracle.com>, > <norm@cs.man.ac.uk>, "Carole Goble" <carole@cs.man.ac.uk>, > "Steven Newhouse" <sjn5@doc.ic.ac.uk>, "Dave Berry" <daveb@nesc.ac.uk>, > "Dan Fay (RESEARCH)" <danf@microsoft.com>, > "Marty Humphrey" <humphrey@cs.virginia.edu>, > "Steve Caughey" <steve.caughey@arjuna.com> >Cc: <ogsi-wg@gridforum.org>, <ogsa-wg@gridforum.org>, <dais-wg@gridforum.org>, > "Jim Webber" <jim.webber@arjuna.com>, > "Thomas Rischbeck" <thomas.rischbeck@arjuna.com>, > "Paul Watson" <Paul.Watson@newcastle.ac.uk>, <ogsa-dai-team@nesc.ac.uk>, > <mygrid-academics@mygrid.info>, "Tim Banks" <tim_banks@uk.ibm.com> >X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact >Postmaster@newcastle.ac.uk for more information >X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean >Sender: owner-ogsi-wg@gridforum.org >Precedence: bulk > >Dear all, > >(Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message). > >There has been a lot of discussion in the community on the relationship >between Web and Grid Services. Here at the North-East Regional e-Science >Centre (NEReSC, http://www.neresc.ac.uk) and in collaboration with >Arjuna Technologies (http://www.arjuna.com), we have been looking at the >relationship between Web Services technologies, OGSI and Grid >requirements. > >The attached document investigates the Grid architecture and its >relationship to the Web Services Architecture. It presents our views on >the current version of the OGSI specification and then goes on to >propose a different mapping of the Grid infrastructure requirements to >Web Services specifications and practises. The aim is to design an >alternative mapping that captures the same Grid requirements, but fits >more closely with conventional Web Services specifications and >practises. It is not in our intentions to create an alternative to OGSI >but, rather, provide an analysis of the issues with the current version >of the specification and use it as input to future discussions within >the community. > >This document is work in progress and will, hopefully, evolve through >the feedback we look forward to receiving from the community. You can >find the latest version of this document, along with more examples of >the use of the proposed framework at >http://www.neresc.ac.uk/projects/gaf. > >We are submitting the document to the relevant working group within the >GGF as input to discussions on the future of OGSI. > >Regards, >Savas Parastatidis, NEReSC >Paul Watson, NEReSC >Jim Webber, Arjuna Technologies >Thomas Rischbeck, Arjuna Technologies > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsdm-comment-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >For additional commands, e-mail: wsdm-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org >You may leave a Technical Committee at any time by visiting >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsdm/members/leave_workgroup.php
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