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Subject: WSDM will discuss the 'Grid Application Framework' paper Sept 4th.

We will be discussing this paper on the Sept 4th WSDM Meeting.

I hope you have a chance to send your response before then, the TC is
interested in getting as much education on this topic as possible.
I would also like to offer you 30 minutes to discuss Globus's position on
this paper at the meeting or a subsequent one if its convenient for you.

We will NOT make a decision at this meeting.

Heather Kreger
STSM, Web Services Lead Architect for SWG Emerging Technologies
Author of "Java and JMX: Building Manageable Systems"
919-543-3211 (t/l 441)  cell:919-496-9572
---------------------- Forwarded by Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM on
08/29/2003 04:54 PM ---------------------------

Steve Tuecke <tuecke@mcs.anl.gov> on 08/21/2003 01:40:49 PM

To:    fred.carter@amberpoint.com
cc:    "Wsdm (E-mail)" <wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject:    Re: [wsdm] [Fwd: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of
       OGSI and Web Services]

Ian sent this earlier today...

I gather that WSDM is planning on scheduling time on a TC call to discuss
the issues raised by this document.  Can you please wait on this discussion
until after we have released our position statement?


>Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:21:17 -0500
>From: Ian Foster <foster@mcs.anl.gov>
>Subject: Re: New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web
>   Services Specifications and Practises"
>In-Reply-To: <BC28A9E979C56C44BCBC2DED313A447001EC3AD8@bond.ncl.ac.uk>
>As you might imagine, the OGSI authors disagree profoundly with many
>aspects of your analysis of OGSI and what is "acceptable" Web services
>practice and what is not.
>A number of us are preparing a position statement summarizing our views on
>how to handle state in a Web services context. Due to travel schedules, it
>will be at least a week before it is ready. So I wanted to let you know we
>are not ignoring you, but are working on our contribution to the debate.
>Regards -- Ian.

At 11:50 AM 8/21/2003, Fred Carter wrote:

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>I don't follow the OGSI WG email, but had this forwarded to me by a
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>I have to admit that I am not an expert on OGSI, but this isn't long and
>makes some interesting points that seem to relate to some of our own
>I deleted the attachment on the theory that the email itself has a URL
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>It would be nice if those more involved in the OGSI can provide some
>informed commentary on this.
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>Dear all,
>(Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message).
>There has been a lot of discussion in the community on the relationship
>between Web and Grid Services. Here at the North-East Regional e-Science
>Centre (NEReSC, http://www.neresc.ac.uk) and in collaboration with
>Arjuna Technologies (http://www.arjuna.com), we have been looking at the
>relationship between Web Services technologies, OGSI and Grid
>The attached document investigates the Grid architecture and its
>relationship to the Web Services Architecture. It presents our views on
>the current version of the OGSI specification and then goes on to
>propose a different mapping of the Grid infrastructure requirements to
>Web Services specifications and practises. The aim is to design an
>alternative mapping that captures the same Grid requirements, but fits
>more closely with conventional Web Services specifications and
>practises. It is not in our intentions to create an alternative to OGSI
>but, rather, provide an analysis of the issues with the current version
>of the specification and use it as input to future discussions within
>the community.
>This document is work in progress and will, hopefully, evolve through
>the feedback we look forward to receiving from the community. You can
>find the latest version of this document, along with more examples of
>the use of the proposed framework at
>We are submitting the document to the relevant working group within the
>GGF as input to discussions on the future of OGSI.
>Savas Parastatidis, NEReSC
>Paul Watson, NEReSC
>Jim Webber, Arjuna Technologies
>Thomas Rischbeck, Arjuna Technologies
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