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Subject: Re: [wsdm] WSDM will discuss the 'Grid Application Framework' paper Sept 4th.


Heather,

I am on vacation the next two weeks (I return on Sept 15), so I cannot make 
the Sept 4 call.  If you can wait until 18th, then I should be able to make 
that call, and the position paper will definitely be out before then.

-Steve

At 03:58 PM 8/29/2003, Heather Kreger wrote:
>Steve,
>We will be discussing this paper on the Sept 4th WSDM Meeting.
>
>I hope you have a chance to send your response before then, the TC is
>interested in getting as much education on this topic as possible.
>I would also like to offer you 30 minutes to discuss Globus's position on
>this paper at the meeting or a subsequent one if its convenient for you.
>
>We will NOT make a decision at this meeting.
>
>Thanks,
>Heather Kreger
>STSM, Web Services Lead Architect for SWG Emerging Technologies
>Author of "Java and JMX: Building Manageable Systems"
>kreger@us.ibm.com
>919-543-3211 (t/l 441)  cell:919-496-9572
>---------------------- Forwarded by Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM on
>08/29/2003 04:54 PM ---------------------------
>
>Steve Tuecke <tuecke@mcs.anl.gov> on 08/21/2003 01:40:49 PM
>
>To:    fred.carter@amberpoint.com
>cc:    "Wsdm (E-mail)" <wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org>
>Subject:    Re: [wsdm] [Fwd: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of
>        OGSI and Web Services]
>
>
>
>Ian sent this earlier today...
>
>I gather that WSDM is planning on scheduling time on a TC call to discuss
>the issues raised by this document.  Can you please wait on this discussion
>until after we have released our position statement?
>
>-Steve
>
> >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:21:17 -0500
> >From: Ian Foster <foster@mcs.anl.gov>
> >Subject: Re: New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web
> >   Services Specifications and Practises"
> >In-Reply-To: <BC28A9E979C56C44BCBC2DED313A447001EC3AD8@bond.ncl.ac.uk>
> >
> >Savas:
> >
> >As you might imagine, the OGSI authors disagree profoundly with many
> >aspects of your analysis of OGSI and what is "acceptable" Web services
> >practice and what is not.
> >
> >A number of us are preparing a position statement summarizing our views on
> >how to handle state in a Web services context. Due to travel schedules, it
> >will be at least a week before it is ready. So I wanted to let you know we
> >are not ignoring you, but are working on our contribution to the debate.
> >
> >Regards -- Ian.
>
>At 11:50 AM 8/21/2003, Fred Carter wrote:
>
> >--
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> >Subject: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of OGSI and Web Services
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> >Hello,
> >
> >I don't follow the OGSI WG email, but had this forwarded to me by a
> >colleague at MITRE.
> >
> >I have to admit that I am not an expert on OGSI, but this isn't long and
> >makes some interesting points that seem to relate to some of our own
>arguments.
> >
> >I deleted the attachment on the theory that the email itself has a URL
> >where people who are interested can download it.
> >
> >It would be nice if those more involved in the OGSI can provide some
> >informed commentary on this.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >--
> >
> >John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
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> >From: "Savas Parastatidis" <Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk>
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><gray@microsoft.com>,
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> >Cc: <ogsi-wg@gridforum.org>, <ogsa-wg@gridforum.org>,
><dais-wg@gridforum.org>,
> >    "Jim Webber" <jim.webber@arjuna.com>,
> >    "Thomas Rischbeck" <thomas.rischbeck@arjuna.com>,
> >    "Paul Watson" <Paul.Watson@newcastle.ac.uk>,
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> >Dear all,
> >
> >(Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message).
> >
> >There has been a lot of discussion in the community on the relationship
> >between Web and Grid Services. Here at the North-East Regional e-Science
> >Centre (NEReSC, http://www.neresc.ac.uk) and in collaboration with
> >Arjuna Technologies (http://www.arjuna.com), we have been looking at the
> >relationship between Web Services technologies, OGSI and Grid
> >requirements.
> >
> >The attached document investigates the Grid architecture and its
> >relationship to the Web Services Architecture. It presents our views on
> >the current version of the OGSI specification and then goes on to
> >propose a different mapping of the Grid infrastructure requirements to
> >Web Services specifications and practises. The aim is to design an
> >alternative mapping that captures the same Grid requirements, but fits
> >more closely with conventional Web Services specifications and
> >practises. It is not in our intentions to create an alternative to OGSI
> >but, rather, provide an analysis of the issues with the current version
> >of the specification and use it as input to future discussions within
> >the community.
> >
> >This document is work in progress and will, hopefully, evolve through
> >the feedback we look forward to receiving from the community. You can
> >find the latest version of this document, along with more examples of
> >the use of the proposed framework at
> >http://www.neresc.ac.uk/projects/gaf.
> >
> >We are submitting the document to the relevant working group within the
> >GGF as input to discussions on the future of OGSI.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Savas Parastatidis, NEReSC
> >Paul Watson, NEReSC
> >Jim Webber, Arjuna Technologies
> >Thomas Rischbeck, Arjuna Technologies
> >
> >
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