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Subject: Re: [wsdm] WSDM will discuss the 'Grid Application Framework' paper Sept 4th.
Heather, I am on vacation the next two weeks (I return on Sept 15), so I cannot make the Sept 4 call. If you can wait until 18th, then I should be able to make that call, and the position paper will definitely be out before then. -Steve At 03:58 PM 8/29/2003, Heather Kreger wrote: >Steve, >We will be discussing this paper on the Sept 4th WSDM Meeting. > >I hope you have a chance to send your response before then, the TC is >interested in getting as much education on this topic as possible. >I would also like to offer you 30 minutes to discuss Globus's position on >this paper at the meeting or a subsequent one if its convenient for you. > >We will NOT make a decision at this meeting. > >Thanks, >Heather Kreger >STSM, Web Services Lead Architect for SWG Emerging Technologies >Author of "Java and JMX: Building Manageable Systems" >kreger@us.ibm.com >919-543-3211 (t/l 441) cell:919-496-9572 >---------------------- Forwarded by Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM on >08/29/2003 04:54 PM --------------------------- > >Steve Tuecke <tuecke@mcs.anl.gov> on 08/21/2003 01:40:49 PM > >To: fred.carter@amberpoint.com >cc: "Wsdm (E-mail)" <wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org> >Subject: Re: [wsdm] [Fwd: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of > OGSI and Web Services] > > > >Ian sent this earlier today... > >I gather that WSDM is planning on scheduling time on a TC call to discuss >the issues raised by this document. Can you please wait on this discussion >until after we have released our position statement? > >-Steve > > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:21:17 -0500 > >From: Ian Foster <foster@mcs.anl.gov> > >Subject: Re: New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web > > Services Specifications and Practises" > >In-Reply-To: <BC28A9E979C56C44BCBC2DED313A447001EC3AD8@bond.ncl.ac.uk> > > > >Savas: > > > >As you might imagine, the OGSI authors disagree profoundly with many > >aspects of your analysis of OGSI and what is "acceptable" Web services > >practice and what is not. > > > >A number of us are preparing a position statement summarizing our views on > >how to handle state in a Web services context. Due to travel schedules, it > >will be at least a week before it is ready. So I wanted to let you know we > >are not ignoring you, but are working on our contribution to the debate. > > > >Regards -- Ian. > >At 11:50 AM 8/21/2003, Fred Carter wrote: > > >-- > >Fred Carter / AmberPoint, Inc. > > > >mailto:fred.carter@amberpoint.com > >tel:+1.510.433.6525 fax:+1.510.663.6301 > > > > > > > >Received: from mail.oasis-open.org (mail.oasis-open.org [209.202.168.102]) > > by red.amberpoint.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7DFKNum026668 > > for <fred.carter@amberpoint.com>; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:20:23 -0700 > > (PDT) > >Received: (qmail 32205 invoked by uid 508); 13 Aug 2003 15:01:09 -0000 > >Mailing-List: contact wsdm-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org; run by ezmlm > >Precedence: bulk > >X-No-Archive: yes > >List-Post: <mailto:wsdm-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> > >List-Help: <mailto:wsdm-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org> > >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wsdm-comment-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org> > >List-Subscribe: <mailto:wsdm-comment-subscribe@lists.oasis-open.org> > >Delivered-To: mailing list wsdm-comment@lists.oasis-open.org > >Received: (qmail 32196 invoked by uid 60881); 13 Aug 2003 15:01:09 -0000 > >Message-ID: <3F3A5727.8090108@mitre.org> > >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:20:07 -0400 > >From: John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org> > >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5a) > >Gecko/20030718 > >X-Accept-Language: en,pdf > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >To: WSDM TC Comments <wsdm-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > > boundary="------------000300000509000906000805" > >Subject: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of OGSI and Web Services > > > >Hello, > > > >I don't follow the OGSI WG email, but had this forwarded to me by a > >colleague at MITRE. > > > >I have to admit that I am not an expert on OGSI, but this isn't long and > >makes some interesting points that seem to relate to some of our own >arguments. > > > >I deleted the attachment on the theory that the email itself has a URL > >where people who are interested can download it. > > > >It would be nice if those more involved in the OGSI can provide some > >informed commentary on this. > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- > > > >John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own > >email: jdecarlo@mitre.org > >voice: 703-883-7116 > >fax: 703-883-3383 > >DISA cube: 703-882-0593 > > > > > >Return-Path: <grdfm-owner-ogsi-wg@mcs.anl.gov> > >Received: from smtpsrv1.mitre.org ([129.83.20.101]) by > > mailsrv2a.mitre.org (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP > > id HJIUR400.SSW for <mularz@mailsrv2.mitre.org>; Tue, 12 Aug > > 2003 15:42:40 -0400 > >Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) > > by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id >h7CJg3ns027145; > > Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:42:03 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: from mcs.anl.gov (cliff.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.17]) > > by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id >h7CJfoLL006750; > > Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:41:51 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: (from listserv@localhost) > > by mcs.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.9.3) id h7CJXLX140300 > > for grdfm-ogsi-wg-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:33:21 -0500 > >Received: from cheviot1.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot1.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.15]) > > by mcs.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h7CJVpB243382; > > Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:31:51 -0500 > >Received: from bond.campus.ncl.ac.uk (bond.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.238.5]) > > by cheviot1.ncl.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id h7CJVix07599; > > Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:31:44 +0100 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 > >content-class: urn:content-classes:message > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36108.5CE59AD9" > >Subject: [ogsi-wg] New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web > >Services Specifications and Practises" > >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:31:44 +0100 > >Message-ID: <BC28A9E979C56C44BCBC2DED313A447001EC3AD8@bond.ncl.ac.uk> > >X-MS-Has-Attach: yes > >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: > >Thread-Topic: New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web > >Services Specifications and Practises" > >Thread-Index: AcNhCEiroAb1teXGQJiLa3YYfDpL2A== > >From: "Savas Parastatidis" <Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk> > >To: "Tony Hey" <Tony.Hey@epsrc.ac.uk>, "Ian Foster" <foster@mcs.anl.gov>, > > "Malcolm Atkinson" <mpa@inf.ed.ac.uk>, "Jim Gray" ><gray@microsoft.com>, > > "Steve Tuecke" <tuecke@mcs.anl.gov>, "Steve Graham" ><sggraham@us.ibm.com>, > > <gcf@indiana.edu>, "Dave Pearson" <Dave.Pearson@oracle.com>, > > <norm@cs.man.ac.uk>, "Carole Goble" <carole@cs.man.ac.uk>, > > "Steven Newhouse" <sjn5@doc.ic.ac.uk>, "Dave Berry" ><daveb@nesc.ac.uk>, > > "Dan Fay (RESEARCH)" <danf@microsoft.com>, > > "Marty Humphrey" <humphrey@cs.virginia.edu>, > > "Steve Caughey" <steve.caughey@arjuna.com> > >Cc: <ogsi-wg@gridforum.org>, <ogsa-wg@gridforum.org>, ><dais-wg@gridforum.org>, > > "Jim Webber" <jim.webber@arjuna.com>, > > "Thomas Rischbeck" <thomas.rischbeck@arjuna.com>, > > "Paul Watson" <Paul.Watson@newcastle.ac.uk>, ><ogsa-dai-team@nesc.ac.uk>, > > <mygrid-academics@mygrid.info>, "Tim Banks" <tim_banks@uk.ibm.com> > >X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact > >Postmaster@newcastle.ac.uk for more information > >X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean > >Sender: owner-ogsi-wg@gridforum.org > >Precedence: bulk > > > >Dear all, > > > >(Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message). > > > >There has been a lot of discussion in the community on the relationship > >between Web and Grid Services. Here at the North-East Regional e-Science > >Centre (NEReSC, http://www.neresc.ac.uk) and in collaboration with > >Arjuna Technologies (http://www.arjuna.com), we have been looking at the > >relationship between Web Services technologies, OGSI and Grid > >requirements. > > > >The attached document investigates the Grid architecture and its > >relationship to the Web Services Architecture. It presents our views on > >the current version of the OGSI specification and then goes on to > >propose a different mapping of the Grid infrastructure requirements to > >Web Services specifications and practises. The aim is to design an > >alternative mapping that captures the same Grid requirements, but fits > >more closely with conventional Web Services specifications and > >practises. It is not in our intentions to create an alternative to OGSI > >but, rather, provide an analysis of the issues with the current version > >of the specification and use it as input to future discussions within > >the community. > > > >This document is work in progress and will, hopefully, evolve through > >the feedback we look forward to receiving from the community. You can > >find the latest version of this document, along with more examples of > >the use of the proposed framework at > >http://www.neresc.ac.uk/projects/gaf. > > > >We are submitting the document to the relevant working group within the > >GGF as input to discussions on the future of OGSI. > > > >Regards, > >Savas Parastatidis, NEReSC > >Paul Watson, NEReSC > >Jim Webber, Arjuna Technologies > >Thomas Rischbeck, Arjuna Technologies > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsdm-comment-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: wsdm-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org > >You may leave a Technical Committee at any time by visiting > >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsdm/members/leave_workgroup > .php > > > >You may leave a Technical Committee at any time by visiting >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsdm/members/leave_workgroup.php > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of >the OASIS TC), go to >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsdm/members/leave_workgroup.php.
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