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Subject: Re: [wsdm] FW: Request for Permanent URL
Thus quoth Ed Day (~ 26-Mar-04 6:17 AM ~)...
> I would agree with Fred on this. Our binding tool figures out what it is
> parsing based on the file extension. I don't know why the convention of
> including the end filename in a URL is being done away with. In your
> example below, we would slap a ".xsd" on the end to try to make it resolve
> to a file. But what if it was a ".wsdl"? The URL provides no information
> on this. Why force me to do some complicated dereference when you can make
> it clear up front?
Actually, things are slightly worse than this.
The file you are retrieving isn't really at .../addressing[.]{xsd,wsdl}
-- it's in that directory but the actual file name is hidden. That is,
the example mentioned with ws-addressing is actually not really there.
The real URL has a slash at the end, caused, most likely, by a
redirection by the server. That is, someone requests .../addressing and
the get a "sorry, we don't got one'a those, please try .../addressing/"
Which works, returning whatever the [unnamed] document is at that
address (default.html, index.html, whatever-server-dependent). If you
try and save the addressing document mentioned, mozilla defaults the
file name to "addressing.xml" (instead of the proper extension), while
IE defaults the name to ".xml" (which is even less valuable). (I don't
have opera & I'm at work so I didn't try safari @ home... :-D)
I don't know the rationale for the convention. My guess is that it
allows the holder of the document to change or remap it without visibly
affecting the external address, which may have some value. That is, if
all the "rabble" knows is that the doc is at .../addressing[/], then
things can get changed underneath more easily? (I don't really think
this holds water, but its the best I can come up with.) I'd be
interested in understanding the rationale for this convention -- perhaps
there's a good reason that overrides my concern.
I don't know why the ending slash is missing in the published address,
unless its presence confuses xml (xmlns:x=".../addressing/" or
targetNamespace=...).
As with the conventions within the schema & wsdl for tool compatibility,
I think that the conventions for naming & finding the schema & wsdls by
the tools & users is equally important.
I think there's time to deal with this in the future, so we don't have
to endlessly debate it now. But I'd like to understand more before
deciding this for a full-time convention.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Day
> Objective Systems, Inc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>
> To: <fred.carter@amberpoint.com>; "Vambenepe, William N" <vbp@hp.com>
> Cc: <Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com>; <wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [wsdm] FW: Request for Permanent URL
>
>
>
>>Fred,
>>
>>For example http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2003/03/addressing. This is good
>
> approach.
>
>>I don't think we need /mows.xsd at the end at all.
>>
>>I'm neutral on dots, but I would prefer not to fix the
>
> documents/schemas/WSDLs all over again.
>
>>
>>-- Igor Sedukhin .. (igor.sedukhin@ca.com)
>>-- (631) 342-4325 .. 1 CA Plaza, Islandia, NY 11788
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fred Carter [mailto:fred.carter@amberpoint.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:11 PM
>>To: Vambenepe, William N
>>Cc: Sedukhin, Igor S; Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Subject: Re: [wsdm] FW: Request for Permanent URL
>>
>>I think (hope) I'm misunderstanding something. It seems to me to be much
>
> preferable of schemas & wsdl's are appropriately named. Thus, I would
> assume that, say, the mows 0.5 schema would be something like
>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/mows-05/mows.xsd
>>
>>I think that having dots (".") in directory names can be problematic,
>
> though I'm flexible on this. But I would *MUCH* prefer that the schema's &
> wsdl be named with that of which they are the schema or wsdl respectively,
> rather than just called schema (or wsdl).
>
>>This is valuable for a number of reasons. The most important of which is
>
> probably for folks who sometimes "work disconnected" (in the laptop sense
> :-) ) -- for these situations, they probably have some directory into which
> they stuff all these files & use a schemaLocation directive to work. if
> there are two files named wsdl, life gets confusing.
>
>>Thus, my preference would be the following
>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/mows-05/mows.xsd
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/mows-05/mows.wsdl
>>and
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/muws-05/muws.xsd
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/muws-05/muws.wsdl
>>
>>or something like that. If we want to put the 05 in the names, that's OK,
>
> though I think it's somewhat redundant with the 2004/04 part.
>
>>I don't think I care much about the specifications -- indeed, they can sit
>
> at the committee site as per usual. It's the machine consumable parts that
> we'd like to fix in space.
>
>>Thus quoth Vambenepe, William N (~ 25-Mar-04 5:32 PM ~)...
>>
>>
>>>Corrections in red (2 places).
>>>
>>>William
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* Sedukhin, Igor S [mailto:Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:44 PM
>>> *To:* Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: [wsdm] FW: Request for Permanent URL
>>>
>>> Great, so the URLs that we will need are (just to reconfirm with
>>> everybody).
>>>
>>> *http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/muws-0.5* - resolves to the
>>> M*U*WS spec
>>> *http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/muws-0.5/schema*
>>> *http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/mows-0.5/schema*
>>> *http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/m**o**ws-0.5*
>>> <http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/mows-0.5> - resolves to the
>>> MOWS spec
>>> *http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/muws-0.5/wsdl*
>>> *http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/2004/04/mows-0.5/wsdl*
>>>
>>>
>>> --* **Igor Sedukhin* .. (igor.sedukhin@ca.com)
>>> --* (631) 342-4325* .. 1 CA Plaza, Islandia, NY 11788
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>> *From:* Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com [mailto:Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:35 PM
>>> *To:* wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>> *Subject:* [wsdm] FW: Request for Permanent URL
>>>
>>> Here is the URL.
>>>
>>> Igor, Heather, ....
>>>
>>> Please send the files to me and I will get it posted.
>>>
>>> Winston
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* sharon burbine [mailto:sharon.burbine@oasis-open.org]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:23 PM
>>> *To:* Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Request for Permanent URL
>>>
>>> Mr. Bumpus:
>>>
>>> Here is what the path will be named for you:
>>>
>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsdm/
>>>
>>> Please send me the files that you want uploaded including the
>>> directories and sub-directories and I'll upload them for you.
>>>
>>> Sharon Burbine,
>>> Webmaster,
>>> OASIS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Winston_Bumpus@Dell.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Web Services Distributed Management (WSDM) TC would like to a
>>>> request a permanent URL for posting WSDL, XSD and our
>>>> specifications. This is in preparation for our interoperability
>>>> testing event. We will need to be able to create sub directories
>>>> and be able to post updates to these directories.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions please let us know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>> Winston Bumpus
>>>> Co-chair of WSDM-TC
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Fred Carter / AmberPoint, Inc.
>>
>>mailto:fred.carter@amberpoint.com
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