Re: [wsdm] Groups - wd-wsdm-muws-0.5-20040329-with-tracking.zip uploaded

[Fred Carter <fred.carter@amberpoint.com>]

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Folks,

I think that if we want to, we can all do a pretty good job of 
sabotaging any chance of getting things to work.  If that's the goal, so 
be it.

On the other hand, we can look at this as a chance to get something 
working -- not complete, not totally perfect, but basically functioning.

We know that for this interop, we will have one endpoint/provider 
endpoint.  Thus, the singleton case applies.  Why complicate things?

"...the WS-R? standard says..." :: It's not a standard yet.  Nor, for 
that matter, is WS-Addressing, insofar as I know (but that's a different 
problem), so I don't know what the required means for operation 
necessarily is at present.  It may be that "our feedback" is that the 
default cases for these should make things simpler, since that's what 
exists in the world today. (<tongueSlightlyInCheek>If I can define all 
current web services as compliant because they work with the default 
case (no info),  "just look at my installed base." </tongueSlightlyInCheek>)

(Remember, too, that the standard as it's currently defined has already 
undergone some change to make it work with tools, internally consistent, 
etc.  Let us not believe too strongly in its state of perfection...)


Personally, I'd like to see something, however miniscule, working.  If 
we can remove obstacles to getting basic interoperation between a 
manager & a manageability provider, so much the better.  Once something 
works, it's not hard to add new stuff til it breaks, and mung until 
done.  The interop scenario about which we're talking is "10 people in a 
room with a /community of laptops/."  If/when we stage a more public 
thing, we can deal with how this will evolve, what is the EPR format, 
how does real discovery work, what are the fault definitions, etc.


But that's just me...

/fred

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I'll now return you to your regularly scheduled entertainment...

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