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Subject: Re: [wsdm] Terms being used in WSDM
Fred Carter <fred.carter@amberpoint.com> wrote on 05/27/2004 05:02:59 PM: > Thus quoth Tom Maguire (~ 27-May-04 1:28 PM ~)... > > > > > > > > > > > John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org> wrote on 05/27/2004 02:43:01 PM: > > > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>As was made painfully clear in today's call, the WSDM TC is using the > >>term "endpoint" in at least two to four different ways. And this is > >>causing differences in perception of the Logical Model of MUWS. > >> > >>IMNSHO, this confusion is a "bad thing". > [...] > +1 from me, too. > [...] > >>2. When we use the term "EPR", we say it is a reference to a Manageable > >>(Fred has a good point here that Managed is more correct once you get to > >>sending SOAP messages) Resource. And the content of the EPR is defined > >>in WS Addressing, maybe clarified in WS-RF. > > > > > > +1 to the notion. -1 to "Managed": managed is a verb; manageable is an > > adjective. Describing a noun/thing with a verb seems incorrect. In any > > case > > it seems like a pedantic argument since the definition of manageable is > > "capable of being managed". > I'm not going to be too picky about the final term. However, w.r.t. > parts of speech ;-) "Managed" can be either a verb or an adjective in > common usage -- I am a managed person (alternatively, a person who is > managed), though my manager may debate whether I am manageable. > > Alternative examples: /Managed/ {fund, bonds, currency}, /Managed/ > [health] care, /Managed/ lane (HOV lane). I might humbly suggest an > accidental find (via "google" for "managed adjective" :-) ) > > http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Managed%20object I might suggest, as well, that the term "managed object" used as a noun does not imply the "managed" is used as an adjective from a part of speech perspective. In all of the traditional dictionaries I checked "managed" was always a verb. Any term where managed was used in conjunction with a noun both words together were refered to as a noun. For instance, "managed object", "managed care", "managed fund" were refered together as a noun; not an adjective and a noun. That being said, when I hear "managed" it also implies to me that it is currently being managed. However, the existence of a resource does not imply to me that it is being actively "managed" but rather the existence implies that it is now "capable of being managed". That is why I prefer manageable not managed. But it is, as well, just my point of view. > > Personally, I prefer "managed" because it [to me] implies that the > resource is currently being managed. "Manageable", again to me, > connotes a resource which could be managed, but isn't, or, as in the > facetious example above, is managed with varying degrees of success. > > In general, I hear/interpret "-able" things as "capable of..." which is > different than having accomplished it. "My kids are capable of doing X; > whether they do it at any point in time is a different question." > That's the connotation I hear, but others may be different... > > Just a point of view... > > [...] > > > -- T o m M a g u i r e STSM, On Demand Architecture Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 internet: tmaguire@us.ibm.com phone: 845.433.9401 (t/l 293-9401)
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