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Subject: Re: [wsdm] Terms being used in WSDM

Fred Carter <fred.carter@amberpoint.com> wrote on 05/27/2004 05:02:59 PM:

> Thus quoth Tom Maguire (~ 27-May-04 1:28 PM ~)...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org> wrote on 05/27/2004 02:43:01 PM:
> >
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>As was made painfully clear in today's call, the WSDM TC is using the
> >>term "endpoint" in at least two to four different ways.  And this is
> >>causing differences in perception of the Logical Model of MUWS.
> >>
> >>IMNSHO, this confusion is a "bad thing".
> [...]
> +1 from me, too.
> [...]
> >>2.  When we use the term "EPR", we say it is a reference to a
> >>(Fred has a good point here that Managed is more correct once you get
> >>sending SOAP messages) Resource.  And the content of the EPR is defined
> >>in WS Addressing, maybe clarified in WS-RF.
> >
> >
> > +1 to the notion.  -1 to "Managed":  managed is a verb; manageable is
> > adjective.  Describing a noun/thing with a verb seems incorrect. In any
> > case
> > it seems like a pedantic argument since the definition of manageable is
> > "capable of being managed".
> I'm not going to be too picky about the final term.  However, w.r.t.
> parts of speech ;-)  "Managed" can be either a verb or an adjective in
> common usage -- I am a managed person (alternatively, a person who is
> managed), though my manager may debate whether I am manageable.
> Alternative examples: /Managed/ {fund, bonds, currency}, /Managed/
> [health] care, /Managed/ lane (HOV lane).  I might humbly suggest an
> accidental find (via "google" for "managed adjective" :-) )
>      http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Managed%20object

I might suggest, as well, that the term "managed object" used as a noun
does not imply the "managed" is used as an adjective from a part of
speech perspective.  In all of the traditional dictionaries I checked
"managed" was always a verb. Any term where managed was used in
conjunction with a noun both words together were refered to as a
noun.  For instance, "managed object", "managed care", "managed fund"
were refered together as a noun; not an adjective and a noun.

That being said, when I hear "managed" it also implies to me that it is
currently being managed.  However, the existence of a resource does not
imply to me that it is being actively "managed" but rather the existence
implies that it is now "capable of being managed".  That is why I prefer
manageable not managed.

But it is, as well, just my point of view.

> Personally, I prefer "managed" because it [to me] implies that the
> resource is currently being managed.  "Manageable", again to me,
> connotes a resource which could be managed, but isn't, or, as in the
> facetious example above, is managed with varying degrees of success.
> In general, I hear/interpret "-able" things as "capable of..." which is
> different than having accomplished it.  "My kids are capable of doing X;
>   whether they do it at any point in time is a different question."
> That's the connotation I hear, but others may be different...
> Just a point of view...
> [...]
> --

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