Re: [wsdm] Terms being used in WSDM

[Tom Maguire <tmaguire@us.ibm.com>]

peace. uncle. I give.

Fred Carter <fred.carter@amberpoint.com> wrote on 05/28/2004 07:28:51 PM:

> Thus quoth Tom Maguire (~ 27-May-04 7:07 PM ~)...
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> > Fred Carter <fred.carter@amberpoint.com> wrote on 05/27/2004 05:02:59
PM:
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> >>Thus quoth Tom Maguire (~ 27-May-04 1:28 PM ~)...
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org> wrote on 05/27/2004 02:43:01 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>>As was made painfully clear in today's call, the WSDM TC is using the
> >>>>term "endpoint" in at least two to four different ways.  And this is
> >>>>causing differences in perception of the Logical Model of MUWS.
> >>>>
> >>>>IMNSHO, this confusion is a "bad thing".
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>+1 from me, too.
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>>>2.  When we use the term "EPR", we say it is a reference to a
> >
> > Manageable
> >
> >>>>(Fred has a good point here that Managed is more correct once you get
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>>sending SOAP messages) Resource.  And the content of the EPR is
defined
> >>>>in WS Addressing, maybe clarified in WS-RF.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>+1 to the notion.  -1 to "Managed":  managed is a verb; manageable is
> >
> > an
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> >>>adjective.  Describing a noun/thing with a verb seems incorrect. In
any
> >>>case
> >>>it seems like a pedantic argument since the definition of manageable
is
> >>>"capable of being managed".
> >>
> >>I'm not going to be too picky about the final term.  However, w.r.t.
> >>parts of speech ;-)  "Managed" can be either a verb or an adjective in
> >>common usage -- I am a managed person (alternatively, a person who is
> >>managed), though my manager may debate whether I am manageable.
> >>
> >>Alternative examples: /Managed/ {fund, bonds, currency}, /Managed/
> >>[health] care, /Managed/ lane (HOV lane).  I might humbly suggest an
> >>accidental find (via "google" for "managed adjective" :-) )
> >>
> >>     http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Managed%20object
> >
> >
> > I might suggest, as well, that the term "managed object" used as a noun
> > does not imply the "managed" is used as an adjective from a part of
> > speech perspective.  In all of the traditional dictionaries I checked
> > "managed" was always a verb. Any term where managed was used in
> > conjunction with a noun both words together were refered to as a
> > noun.  For instance, "managed object", "managed care", "managed fund"
> > were refered together as a noun; not an adjective and a noun.
>
> Well, now that we're onto it, "managed" in this case is a participle, a
> form of verb functioning as an adjective in this case, modifying the
> various nouns.
>
>  From
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=participle
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> 1. participle, participial -- (a non-finite form of the verb; in English
> it is used adjectivally and to form compound tenses)
>
>
>
> This should complete the grammar lesson. :-)  And apologies to those who
> lost interest a long time ago.
>
> [...]
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