RE: [wsdm] capabilities proposal

[Anthony Nadalin <drsecure@us.ibm.com>]

There needs to be a common way across WSDL 1.1 and 2.0 so just a answer for 2.0 is not sufficient for customers.

Anthony Nadalin | work 512.838.0085 | cell 512.289.4122
"Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>

"Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>

06/07/2004 10:28 PM

To	Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
cc	Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, <wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject	RE: [wsdm] capabilities proposal

Anthony, are you saying you would like policy to indicate which operation belongs to which interface?

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Mon 6/7/2004 10:46 PM
To: Sedukhin, Igor S
Cc: Heather Kreger; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsdm] capabilities proposal


Sure, it makes sense to use policy here and manage via policy, WSDL 2.0 does not have everything we need, we have been down this path.

Anthony Nadalin | work 512.838.0085 | cell 512.289.4122
"Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>



"Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>

06/07/2004 09:36 PM

To	Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
cc	Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, <wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject	RE: [wsdm] capabilities proposal


Ok. Still, you'd specify operations input/output and binding to the HTTP transport in the WSDL (components) itself, so it is only natural to specify which interfaces these operations belong to in the WSDL too. I'm not sure you want policy to contain such information, do you?
Besides WSDL 2.0 already has everything needed anyways. It is WSDL 1.1 that we're having troubles with.

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Mon 6/7/2004 5:49 PM
To: Sedukhin, Igor S
Cc: Heather Kreger; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsdm] capabilities proposal

That's fine policy can be metadata (some real fine lines are drawn here), I would not like to see WSDM go off and reinvent in the policy/metadata space. IBM's view is that policy can be used to express operational and metadata about operations, WSDL may be just one place to express these there are many other places.

Anthony Nadalin | work 512.838.0085 | cell 512.289.4122
"Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>


"Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>

06/07/2004 04:10 PM

To	Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc	<wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject	RE: [wsdm] capabilities proposal


This is operational metadata (just like WSDL is). It may not resemble a policy, which is really metadata about WSDL and what it defines.

The underlying reason may be same as to why not use policy to express what operations and message exchanges are supported. We use WSDL for that.

-- Igor Sedukhin .. (igor.sedukhin@ca.com)
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From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:49 PM
To: Heather Kreger
Cc: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [wsdm] capabilities proposal

Why is this a proposed section in WSDM, seem like this is just policy and intersection of policy

Anthony Nadalin | work 512.838.0085 | cell 512.289.4122
Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS

Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS

06/07/2004 02:57 PM

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Subject	[wsdm] capabilities proposal


Hi folks, Here is an initial proposal for discovering capabilities. I think we may be able to use something like this for discovering manageability services as well.
(See attached file: Capabilities.wsdm.060404.doc)

This is just a proposal and we can discuss on Thursday.

Heather Kreger
STSM, Web Services Lead Architect for SWG Emerging Technologies
Author of "Java and JMX: Building Manageable Systems"
kreger@us.ibm.com
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