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Subject: RE: [wsdm] Groups - Applying WS-N to WSDM .doc uploaded
+1 to sending the requirement to WSRF-RP. T o m M a g u i r e STSM, On Demand Architecture Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 internet: tmaguire@us.ibm.com phone: 845.433.9401 "Vambenepe, William N" <vbp@hp.com> wrote on 06/24/2004 02:04:20 PM: > > We agree. Does anybody have a problem with WSDM sending this as a > requirement to WSRF? > > William > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sedukhin, Igor S [mailto:Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:00 AM > > To: Vambenepe, William N; Stephen Schleimer > > Cc: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [wsdm] Groups - Applying WS-N to WSDM .doc uploaded > > > > > > I think this is another one that WSRF-RP needs to define. > > E.g. yet another topic for all property changes. > > > > > > -- Igor Sedukhin .. (igor.sedukhin@ca.com) > > -- (631) 342-4325 .. 1 CA Plaza, Islandia, NY 11788 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vambenepe, William N [mailto:vbp@hp.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:31 PM > > To: Stephen Schleimer > > Cc: Sedukhin, Igor S; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [wsdm] Groups - Applying WS-N to WSDM .doc uploaded > > > > > > Yes, this mapping is the kind of use case I have in mind that > > leads me to saying that we might need a convenient way to > > subscribe to notification on property change for all > > properties (or at least all these for which notification is > > supported). > > > > If we limit ourselves to approach -1-, there are two ways to do this: > > - send as many subscriptions are there are properties > > - if the manageability representation supports the "FullTopicPath" > > expression type, you can subscribe on ALL topics and then use > > "Selector" > > to only receive notification messages of type > > "PropertyChangeNotification". > > > > None of these is very convenient. > > > > The question is: is this convenient enough considering the > > expected prevalence of this use case? > > > > Or do we want to make this easier by, in addition to the > > approach in -1-, defining one > > "ChangeInAnyPropertyInAnyNamespace" topic. This additional > > topic would not violate WSRP. In fact, we could even try to > > bump this down to WSRF and ask WSRP to define this topic. Or > > we could do it in WSDM. > > > > Regards, > > > > William > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Schleimer [mailto:sschlmr@cisco.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:56 AM > > > To: Vambenepe, William N > > > Cc: Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: Re: [wsdm] Groups - Applying WS-N to WSDM .doc uploaded > > > > > > > > > It might be worth examining the DMTF IndicationSubscription > > model. It > > > has the flexibility to subscribe to none, some, or all > > properties of > > > tracked class instances. > > > > > > -steve > > > > > > Vambenepe, William N wrote: > > > > > > >Thanks Igor, nice rightup, very clear and readable. > > > > > > > >I agree with pretty much everything. The only question I see > > > for us to > > > >answer, is what set of topics do we define. Options are: > > > > > > > >-1- when we define a new property in MUWS or MOWS we decide > > > whether or > > > >not to create a topic for modification of this property (I > > > think this is > > > >your recommendation) > > > > > > > >-2- use only one topic, the same for any property > > > modification (and use > > > >Selector to narrow down to some properties). But if we do > > > this, how do I > > > >know which properties support sending notifications on change? > > > > > > > >-3- a mix of -1- and -2-, where both sets of topics are > > available and > > > >people decide whether to register on a property-specific > > > topic or on the > > > >general "property change" topic (assuming the manageability > > > >representation offers both. > > > > > > > >The reason I bring this up is that I am thinking that some > > managers > > > >might just want to stay synched with the resource and get all > > > >notifications for all properties. If this is the case, > > > registering on a > > > >per-property basis is not very convenient. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >William > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > >>From: Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com [mailto:Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com] > > > >>Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:16 AM > > > >>To: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org > > > >>Subject: [wsdm] Groups - Applying WS-N to WSDM .doc uploaded > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>The document Applying WS-N to WSDM .doc has been > > submitted by Igor > > > >>Sedukhin (Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com) to the OASIS Web Services > > > >>Distributed Management TC document repository. > > > >> > > > >>Document Description: > > > >>Looked at MUWS State capability events and using property change > > > >>notifications to cover it. > > > >> > > > >>Download Document: > > > >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsdm/download.php > > > >>/7320/Applying%20WS-N%20to%20WSDM%20.doc > > > >> > > > >>View Document Details: > > > >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsdm/document.php > > > >>?document_id=7320 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>PLEASE NOTE: If the above links do not work for you, your email > > > >>application may be breaking the link into two pieces. 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