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Subject: RE: [wsia][wsia-requirements][E904]
The statefulness we have talked about includes transient state related to a running instance of a Producer's service. This requirement is attempting to capture the need to persist some state information such that it can be used even after a cycling of the Producer's service. Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne. To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, com> <wsia@lists.oasis-open.org> cc: 05/06/2002 12:51 Subject: RE: [wsia][wsia-requirements][E904] PM Rich, I am just sending this to you because I want to find out if I am wrong about this before submitting it to the group as a whole. Especially since it is actually one of those areas where we need this as an upper level requirement as opposed to what I have already said in regard to specifying lower level particulars. Also, our language is meandering into equivocations, and I don't want to sound too emphatic, but: I thought statefullness was the default condition. So wouldn't it be more concise and terse to say >E904 This specification SHOULD include operations and semantics to determine the current state of any instances of the Producer's service. Of course then the question becomes: does a consumer need to have a recent or long term history of the state of any instance of the producer's service? And chasing that implication down into lower levels is exactly where I think we would get bogged down. I'll shut up now. Rex At 11:33 AM -0400 5/6/02, Rich Thompson wrote: >Even Lifecycle has been used in ways that confuse this (Lifecycle >discussion includes the discovery of the existence of a service) ... I >think we are trying to capture the persistence between different instances >of a Producer's service. How about: > >E904 >This specification SHOULD include operations and semantics related to >persisting and using stateful information by instances of the Producer's >service. > > > > > > Gil >Tayar > <Gil.Tayar@webcol To: Rich >Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, > lage.com> >"'wsia@lists.oasis-open.org'" <wsia@lists.oasis-open.org> > >cc: > 05/06/2002 08:44 Subject: RE: >[wsia][wsia-requirements][E904] > >AM > > > > > > > >I agree - we have been evading this terminology issue for two long. How >about rewording to use a consensual word - "Lifecycle": > >E904 >This specification should include operations and semantics >related to persisting stateful information between *Producer lifecycles*. > > >This also pertains to E902. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rich Thompson [mailto:richt2@us.ibm.com] >Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 15:19 >To: 'wsia@lists.oasis-open.org' >Subject: RE: [wsia][wsia-requirements][E904] > > > >I agree that the intent is to cover the need for an operation to indicate >the persisting of information and the semantics of how that can be >referenced in the lifecycle of a later 'session' between the Consumer and >Producer. I'm gussing the confusing word here is 'interactions', but have >no suggestions for a replacement. > > > > > > Gil Tayar > > <Gil.Tayar@webcol To: >"'wsia@lists.oasis-open.org'" > lage.com> <wsia@lists.oasis-open.org> > > cc: > > 05/05/2002 02:16 Subject: RE: >[wsia][wsia-requirements][E904] > AM > > > > > > > > >The idea is that there be a mechanism in which the producer can persist >information per user so that when it is invoked again, in another >session/instance, it can retrieve the information again. For example, if >the >user enters their name, it can remember that name and prefill it next time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Kropp [mailto:akropp@epicentric.com] >Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 04:49 >To: 'wsia@lists.oasis-open.org' >Subject: [wsia][wsia-requirements][E904] > > >E904 > This specification should include operations and >semantics >related to persisting stateful information for use in later interactions >between the Consumer and Producer. > >Not sure what this one is trying to express. Is it the Handle? > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> --
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