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Subject: [wsia] Corrected Website Minutes for 07-12-02
- From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
- To: wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:38:41 -0700
Title: Corrected Website Minutes for
07-12-02
OASIS Web Services
for Interactive Applications Technical Committee
12 July 2002
teleconference 12:00-1:00pm EST
Minutes
Attendance
William Cox BEA
Graeme Riddell
Bowstreet
y
Greg Giles Cisco
Srinivas Vadhri Commerce One
Kirk Wilson Computer
Associates y
Sean Fitts
Crossweave
Timothy N. Jones
Crossweave
y
Peter Quintas Divine
Sandra Swearingen DoD
Monica Martin
Drake Certivo
y
Alan Kropp Epicentric
Patel Ashish France Telecom
Aditi Karandikar France Telecom
Royston Sellman HP
Eric van Lyndegraf Kinzan
y
Charles Wiecha IBM (chair)
y
Dan Gisolfi IBM
Ravi Konuru IBM
Rich Thompson
IBM
y
Shankar
IBM
Ramaswamy
T.V. Raman IBM
Rex Brooks
individual
y
John Kneiling
individual
(removing from the list)
Kevin Brinkley Intel
Michael Mahan Nokia
Martin Chapman Oracle
Terry Cline
Peregrine Systems
Sasha Aicken Plumtree
Stefan Beck SAP
Howard Melman
Silverstream
Jeffrey C. Broberg Silverstream
Suresh Damodaran Sterling
Commerce
Eilon Reshef WebCollage
Gil Tayar WebCollage
Agenda
1. Roll call and minutes
2. Update on joint interface spec and WSIA goals for the next
draft
3. Plans for preparing a draft Customization spec in parallel with the
joint interfaces.
Meeting
12:00 roll call + minutes.
To fulfill the decision made prior to the F2F of staggering these
calls with the WSRP calls we?ll meet again Friday of next week (19th)
and then the following Thursday (25th) and then every other Thursday.
Rex is now the webmaster and is bringing the site up to date.
Subcommittee minutes should be forwarded to the list so they can be
posted too.
12:10 Status of joint interfaces and
WSIA-specific goals
0.21 of the joint spec is coming out today. Also starting the process
of putting a User Guide together (strawman was developed at F2F).
Smaller group also looking at an object model and extensibility model
that might lead to some refactoring and layering - Policy and Design
issues came up at the F2F.
Day 1 of WSRP suggested that the interface was made too complex by
trying to do stateful/stateless, persistence, user state, etc. Rich
leading effort to back up and see if we can identify separate objects
in the interface to simplify the functionality. This might allow
easier extension and selection and pluggability of the
functionality.
This might reintroduce choice of a vocabulary of operation names and
signatures that are a little more specific to WSRP and WSIA. (We?ve
had the idea that there would be a joint spec that accommodated WSRP
with a single interface and set of operations. That interface is
broader than expected, so we're starting to feel (and investigate)
that there may actually be separate interfaces that work alongside
each other.)
Thoughts on this?
- So long as we figure out how to piggyback WSIA on top of the base
protocol it should be ok? But will we then have a joint spec? The
joint spec might then be the Embedded case.
- Can we not build on top of WSRP? Two concerns are then a) operation
naming would likely be too portlet-specific, and
(b) danger that a portal-specific API would not be able to support
non-portal consumers.
- General rule should be same that the same function should not be
allowed in both the WSRP and WSIA interfaces?
We should be able to achieve a joint spec at the component/lifecycle
level. The entity stuff might become specific to WSRP. Aim to have a
joint spec at the lowest level that both WSRP and WSIA can build on.
But we?re probably in trouble if the bottom of the stack is not common
- we?d end up with 2 specs.
12:35 Customization (Tim)
Latest thinking is to piggyback cutomizable properties on top of the
joint protocol and reuse joint interfaces. Specifically starting to
work on initializing model instance values on the producer. Also given
the current factoring effort, we probably have the opportunity to
carry forward a property interface.
Point of clarification ? need to emphasize that the property interface
does not extend the opaque state of the producer but it is a view of
the opaque state (of the producer properties).
The other issue is how and where those properties are described. Tim &
Ravi leading this effort.
A draft is expected by September F2F in conjunction with 1.0 of the
joint spec. The property description stuff especially should be
orthogonal to joint interfaces spec.
A: Tim - Aim to have an outline of the draft document by this
Wednesday?s Customization conf call.
12:40 other stuff
Next F2F in front of WSRP on Sept 9th-12th, hosted by IBM in
Munich/Stuttgart.
Next conf call Friday 19th.
12:45 adjourn.
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