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Subject: Re: [wsrm] SequenceNumber element



 Ahhh! This jotted my memory. This is where i saw "SequenceNumber"
 as "SequenceNo" and hence I wrote the same yesterday. This
 agreement should be reworded. Btw, GroupId was also spelled
 wrongly here as GroupID.

 The new agreement should be:

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Agreement to replace RefToMessageID with two new elements:

    * RefToGroupId
    * RefToSequenceNumber
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Btw, why was 'No' expanded as 'Number' in SequenceNumber case
 and not 'Id' in GroupId?  Doesn't it have to be GroupIdentifier to be
 consistent. Anyway, lets revisit all the names at the end.

 -Sunil

Tom Rutt wrote:

> Jacques Durand wrote:
>
> > Tom and all:
> >
> > Overall I do agree with Scott's position, as he stated below.
> >
> > But my issue was different (see second part of my email 9/8):
> >
> > Since you ask me, here it is.
> > (BTW, I know I should have had this discussion at f-2-f .
> > But I think we went too quickly on this "new" issue anyway, not even
> > formally registered,
> >  almost closed as soon as it was raised, and I admit I missed it for
> > whatever reason.
> > I like to have time to read things.)
> >
> I actually think that we might have moved too fast on resolving Sunil's
> overnight issue.  However, it takes a 2/3 majority to overturn a
> previous motion (this is different than motion to reconsider).
>
> Thus, I would prefer that we have an email discussion on Jacque's and
> Scott's points, and  we
> wait for general agreement on a change to make (if we get agreeent)
> before we open a new issue to overturn a prior motion resolution, we
>
> I copy text from the minutes at the f2f:
> "
> The text is currently unclear on whether sequenceNO other than 0 can be
> used without ordering.   The general consensus is no.
>
> Without ordered deliver, the groupID is unique for each sent message.
> Thus the group size is considered to be one in this case.
>
> "
> The rest of the decsions we made were based on the above "general
> consensus" which,
> I must admit, we never made a motion on.
>
> "
>
> Agreement to replace RefToMessageID with two new elements:
>
>     * RefToGroupID
>     * RefToSequenceNo
>
>
>
> Agreement to replace RefToMessageID with two new elements:
>
>     * RefToGroupID
>     * RefToSequenceNo
>
>
>
> Four alternative proposals:
>
> 1)
>
> As Sunil suggested above: Move sequenceNo sub element from Message
> header to Request:MessageOrder sub element.
>
> 2)
>
>         Un ordered messages use seq no = 0 always, in Message header
> (for use in Response/RefToSequenceNo), and messageOrder subelement is
> not present in Request header
>
>         Ordered messages use seq no >=1 in Message header, and the
> messageOrder subelement is present in Request header element.
>
> 3)
>
>         Un ordered message does not have seq no present in Message
> header (no RefToSequenceNo element present in Response header), and the
> messageOrder subelement is not present in Request header element.
>
>         Ordered messages use seq no >= 0 in Message header, and the
> messageOrder subelement is present in Request header element.
>
> 4)
>
> same as 3, except move messageOrder status attribute to be attribute of
> sequence number element, and remove messageOrder element.
>
> Meeting consensus on alternative 4) above.
> "
>
> Tom Rutt
> WSRM Chair
> Fujitsu
>
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