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Subject: Re: [wsrm] Fix for Message ID and Sequence Number sections
Yes, My mailer (Netscape Messanger) didn't show it and was just showing
the new and old changes in just one sentence. No wonder it looked so confusing.
I'll review the bitmaps you sent and will send comments.
-Sunil
iwasa wrote:
> I'm a little bit confused since the text is a
> little bit different between Tom's and Sunil's.
> (I don't think there is duplicate MUST in the sentence,
> but Sunil's mailer might not show what Tom
> described correctly. See pictures attached if that is the case.)
>
> And please let me know which one we want to adopt.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Iwasa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunil Kunisetty" <sunil.kunisetty@oracle.com>
> To: <tom@coastin.com>
> Cc: "wsrm" <wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [wsrm] Fix for Message ID and Sequence Number sections
>
> Tom,
>
> While I've some specific comments inlined below, I've a general comment
> about
> the tables in Section 3.0.
>
> I'd like to propose that we remove the Fault row from each of tables for
> elements for the following reasons:
> - We anyway explain the Faults in section 4. So this information is
> redundant
> and duplicate. The request came in when we didn't have elaborate Section
> 4.
> - Not every Fault happens because of Header elements
> - Some elements can cause more than one Fault because of sub-elements or
> attributes. For ex., a MessageHeader element can cause
> InvalidMessageParameters
> fault or InvalidReplyPattern fault or InvalidMessageId etc. WHile some
> such nested
> faults are captured, all of them are not.
>
> Tom Rutt wrote:
>
> > I propose the attached changes for sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 (
> >
> > This change involves:
> > - nesting of the existing 3.1.2 inside 3.1.1.
> > - the proper use of MUST, and MAY for element and attribute inclusion, and
> > - moving the staement on presence of group termination parameters to a
> > more proper location.
> >
> > Tom Rutt
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Tom Rutt email: tom@coastin.com; trutt@fsw.fujitsu.com
> > Tel: +1 732 801 5744 Fax: +1 732 774 5133
> >
> >
> >
> >
> me specific comments inlined below, I've a general
> comment about
> <br> the tables in Section 3.0.
> <p> I'd like to propose that we remove the Fault row from each of
> tables for
> <br> elements for the following reasons:
> <br> - We anyway explain the Faults in section 4. So this information
> is redundant
> <br> and duplicate. The request came in when we didn't have
> elaborate Section 4.
> <br> - Not every Fault happens because of Header elements
> <br>- Some elements can cause more than one Fault because of sub-elements
> or
> <br> attributes. For ex., a MessageHeader element can cause
> InvalidMessageParameters
> <br> fault or InvalidReplyPattern fault or InvalidMessageId
> etc. WHile some such nested
> <br> faults are captured, all of them are not.
> <p>Tom Rutt wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>
> <pre WRAP>I propose the attached changes for sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 (
>
> This change involves:
> - nesting of the existing 3.1.2 inside 3.1.1.
> - the proper use of MUST, and MAY for element and attribute inclusion, and
> - moving the staement on presence of group termination parameters to a
> more proper location.
>
> Tom Rutt
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Tom
> Rutt
>
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> >
> > 3.1.1 MessageId Element
> >
> > The sender MUST include the MessageId element MUST be present forina
> Reliable
> >
> >
> >
> > Message, an Acknowledgment message, a Fault message and a PollRequest
> message. In a request message, the sender MUST include A request message
> MUST contain a groupId attribute and MAY contain either groupExpiryTime
> attribute or groupMaxIdleDuration attribute corresponding to the group
> termination parameters specified in section 2.5.1:
> >
> > There are couple of editorial & technical mistakes in it. Here is a
> reworded one:
> >
> > The sender MUST include the MessageId element for a Reliable Request
> Message, an Acknowledgment message, a Fault message and a Poll Request
> message. This element MUST contain a groupId attribute
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > oa groupId attribute
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Cardinality
> Value
> Attributes
> Child elements
> Fault
>
> >
> > (1) groupId attribute
> >
> > The sender MUST include this attribute MUST be presentin the MessageId
> element. This attribute is to identify a sequence of messages, where each
> sequence is of length 1 or more. The sending RMP MUST use a distinct
> globally unique groupId for any distinct group of messages. Any group of
> messages will have a common groupId value. The syntax of this identification
> is URI, as defined in [RFC2396]. It is RECOMMENDED to use the Message-ID
> schema, as defined in [RFC2392].
> >
> > First sentence seem to have extra MUST. Here is a reworded one:
> >
> > The MessageId element MUST include a groupId attribute.This attribute is
> to identify a sequence of messages, where each sequence is of length 1 or
> more. The sending RMP MUST use a distinct globally unique groupId for any
> distinct group of messages. Any group of messages will have a common groupId
> value. The syntax of this identification is URI, as defined in [RFC2396]. It
> is RECOMMENDED to use the Message-ID schema, as defined in [RFC2392].
> >
> >
>
> > 3.1.2 1.1 SequenceNum Element
> >
> > The sender must include tThe SequenceNum element MUST be present for a
> Group of with more than one message.
> >
> > Again an extra MUST here.
> >
> > When a message includes a MessageOrder element, the SequenceNum element is
> used for guaranteeing the message order within the group of messages
> specified by the same groupId value. In other words, the sequence of
> numbered messages that the receiver node presents to the application MUST be
> sent in the same order as the sequence of numbered messages that the sender
> application has produced, within the group of messages having the same
> groupId value.
> >
> > When the sender requests Guaranteed Message Ordering, the sender MUST use
> Guaranteed Message Delivery and Duplicate Elimination for that message as
> well. In particular, the sender MUST include both anAckRequested element and
> a DuplicateElimination element, as well as the MessageOrder element for
> Guaranteed Message Ordering.
> >
> > This element includes the following attributes:
> >
> > - agroupExpiryTime attribute
> >
> > - agroupMaxIdleDuration attribute
> >
> > - a number attribute attribute
> >
> > - a status attribute
> >
> > In a request message, the sender MAY include either agroupExpiryTime
> attribute or a groupMaxIdleDuration attribute corresponding to the group
> termination parameters specified in section 2.5.1:
> >
> > If the MessageOrder element appears in the message sent, the receiver of
> the message MUST make messages available to the application layer only after
> all messages with lower number with the same groupId have been made
> available to the application. Example 6 illustrates some message fragments
> with SequenceNum element:
> >
> >
> classes.MsoNormal.P.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.P.fontSize = "12.0pt"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.P.fontFamily = "\"Times New Roman\""
> document.classes.MsoNormal.P.msoFareastFontFamily = "\"MS Mincho\""
> document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.msoStyleParent = "\"\""
> document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.margins("0in")
> document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.marginBottom = ".0001pt"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.fontSize = "12.0pt"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.fontFamily = "\"Times New Roman\""
> document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.msoFareastFontFamily = "\"MS Mincho\""
> document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.msoStyleParent = "\"\""
> document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.margins("0in")
> document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.marginBottom = ".0001pt"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.fontSize = "12.0pt"
> document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.fontFamily = "\"Times New Roman\""
> document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.msoFareastFontFamily = "\"MS Mincho\""
> document.tags.H3.msoMarginTopAlt = "auto"
> document.tags.H3.marginRight = "0in"
> document.tags.H3.marginBottom = "5.75pt"
> document.tags.H3.marginLeft = "0in"
> document.tags.H3.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
> document.tags.H3.msoOutlineLevel = "3"
> document.tags.H3.fontSize = "13.5pt"
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