Article on Reliable Messaging TC]

[Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com>]

I forward an email discussion regarding the article on reliable messaging.

I would like to discuss this topic at the teleconference Tuesday Sept 21.

Tom Rutt

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• From: Doug Bunting <Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM>
• To: Carol Geyer <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>
• Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:44:58 -0700

Carol,

It is my opinion that the original article you forwarded and the 2 I 
mentioned below ([2] is really a cover page for Robin's coverage) are 
neither overtly damning nor inaccurate.  They should be included.

I do believe the IT Director article is somewhat undervaluing 
WS-Reliability but that is very different from "overtly damning".  It is 
pretty accurate and has an interesting point to make.

I would prefer to hear more from Tom and others on this list before going 
ahead.  We are at one positive vote and four abstains unless Tom is voting 
against.

thanx,
	doug

On 20-Sep-04 06:10, Carol Geyer wrote:

> It's your call, but my advice would be to put up anything that's not overtly
> damning or inaccurate. Visitors to the TC's pages should be able to see that
> your work has the attention of the media and marketplace. 
> Carol
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:09 PM
> To: tom@coastin.com
> Cc: Carol Geyer; jdurand@us.fujitsu.com; kiwasa@jp.fujitsu.com;
> mpeel@novell.com; patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org; 'James Bryce Clark'; 'Dee
> Schur'; Karl F. Best
> Subject: Re: FW: Article on Reliable Messaging TC
> 
> Sorry?
> 
> I thought you said this article was "not appropriate for posting on an
> official OASIS site"?  I think it would be fine to reference.
> 
> WS-Reliability has been mentioned a couple of other times[1,2] recently due
> to 1.1's progression to Committee Draft standing and the Cover Pages
> update[3].  If we are collecting clippings, these would also be fine to
> include.
> 
> thanx,
> 	doug
> 
> [1]
> http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26_gci10
> 05597,00.html
> [2]
> http://www.xmlmania.com/news_article_1508-OASIS-WSRM-TC-Releases-Web-Service
> s-Reliable-Messaging-WS-Reliability-Version-1.1.php
> [3] http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2004-09-10-a.html
> 
> 
> On 18-Sep-04 18:43, Tom Rutt wrote:
> 
> 
>>Doug: Do you think the oasis site should point at this article?  I 
>>really do not care that much.
>>Tom Rutt
>>
>>Doug Bunting wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tom,
>>>
>>>I may have been reading this in a more forgiving frame of mind but I 
>>>do not agree.  The article is clear that large enterprises (I read
>>>"customers") would need to do some head banging to make progress 
>>>toward a single standard.  It does not propose that everyone just 
>>>"play nice" out of the goodness of their hearts.
>>>
>>>My questions are mostly about the half-hearted and grudging 
>>>admissions that WS-Reliability might be ready for prime time.  
>>>Phrases like "approaching what you would expect", "essential to 
>>>prove", "could lead to differences in interpretation and therefore 
>>>incompatibility", and "should look at these scenarios" seem to damn with
> 
> faint praise.
> 
>>>On the other hand, the comments about interoperability between 
>>>implementations of the two specifications (and the implications) are 
>>>pretty much on target.
>>>
>>>thanx,
>>>    doug
>>>
>>>On 17-Sep-04 13:24, Tom Rutt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>While this article is interesting, its proposal to have the two 
>>>>groups get together to come up with one standard is not approppriate 
>>>>for posting on an official OASIS site.
>>>>
>>>>That other group of vendors were asked many times to joine the WSRM 
>>>>TC, and chose not to do so.
>>>>
>>>>Tom Rutt
>>>>WSRM TC chair
>>>>
>>>>Carol Geyer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>OASIS WSRM TC chair & secretaries,
>>>>>Please review this article on WSRM, and let me know if you'd like 
>>>>>me to post it on the TC's Press clippings page.
>>>>>"Reliable Messaging the dance continues"
>>>>>http://www.it-director.com/article.php?id=12248  IT Director.com, 
>>>>>17 September 2004
>>>>>
>>>>>Patrick and I are meeting with the author in London in two weeks, 
>>>>>so if you'd like us to pass on feedback from the TC, please let me 
>>>>>know. You should also feel free to post responses at the publication's
> 
> site.
> 
>>>>>(Note: I believe the last sentence of the article is cut off. I've 
>>>>>asked the analyst about it.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Any plans for a WSRM InterOp in the near future?
>>>>>
>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>Carol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>______________________________
>>>>>Carol Geyer
>>>>>Director of Communications
>>>>>OASIS
>>>>>Voice: +1.978.667.5115 x209
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>
> 
> 
> 

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