Prelim Agenda of 2/22 teleconf

[Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com>]

The prelim agenda is attached.

Please post any corrections to the entire list before the end of the week.

tom rutt
wsrm TC chair

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Title: Draft Agenda to WSRM TC Conference Call – May 06, 2003

Preliminary Minutes of WSRM TC Conference Call –Feb 22, 2005

 

The meeting of the WSRM  TC took place by teleconference 

Tuesday, Feb 22 , 2005, from 5:30 to 7:00 PM Eastern Standard Time

 

1         Draft Agenda:

 

    1 Draft Agenda to WSRM TC Conference Call

    2 Roll Call

    3 Minutes Discussion

    3.1 Appointment of Minute Taker

    3.2 Approval of previous meeting minutes –

    4 Action Item Status Review

    5 Status of WS-Reliability Specification

    6 Status of Interop SC activities

    7 Next Step Documentation

    7.1 Editorial Clarifications and Errata

    7.2 Implementation Guidelines

    7.2 Future Enhancement Requests

    8 Composability with other WS-Specs

    9 ws reliability PAS progression

    10 Discussion of Future Meetings

 

Jacques stated there are things to discuss regarding the next version but it is time to discuss taking into account ws-addressing when it becomes stable.

 

Bob: we need to wait until the output of the WS-addressing face to face.

 

Anish: it is too early to talk about ws addressing because it has not reached last call.

 

Jacques: my ambition is that we have a well defined functionality to figure out how to work with ws-addressing.

 

Anish: when it goes to LC, other working groups are asked for feedback on the spec.

 

Marc Peel: Piggyback reply to for application and other cases we will not do so.

 

If anyone has discussion items in this area bring to the list to discuss.

 

 

2         Roll Call

Attendance:

First Name	Last Name	Role	Company
Jacques	Durand	Secretary	Fujitsu
Kazunori	Iwasa	Secretary	Fujitsu
Tom	Rutt	TC Chair	Fujitsu
Robert	Freund	Member	Hitachi
Nobuyuki	Yamamoto	Member	Hitachi
Mark	Peel	Secretary	Novell
Anish	Karmarkar	Member	Oracle
jeff	mischkinsky	Member	Oracle
Pete	Wenzel	Member	SeeBeyond
Chi-Yuen	Ng	Member	Univ of Hong Kong
Hans	Granqvist	Prosp Member	Verisign

 

Meeting is quorate.

3          

4         Minutes Discussion

 

Tom Rutt will take minutes.

 

4.1      Approval of previous meeting minutes

The minutes of the 02/08 meeting (amended attendance list from prelim minutes) are posted at:

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/download.php/11490/MinutesWSRMTC020805.htm  

 

Jacques Moved to approve the 2/8  minutes, Bob F seconded.

 

No opposition minutes 2/8  minutes are approved

 

 

5         Status of Action Items

5.1      Action 090704-1 (Tom) Pending

 

Action: Tom will try to find, from previous minutes, a list of features we have put off for future versions and will post it to the list for discussion.

 

5.1      Action 121404-2 (Anish) Pending

 

Action: Oracle will provide examples of soap header dumps with both ws-reliability and ws-addressing headers in use, as in the interop demo.

 

Anish does not have the dumps yet. They have used the two together in a simple use case.

 

Leave it open.

 

5.2      Action 012505-1 (Tom Rutt) Pending

 

Action: Tom will investigate how to change the status of printed document.  The posted standard still states CD.

 

Jeff : this is important.  Why does it not happen automatically.

 

Action: tom will prepare a coversheet for the standard, and post it for people to look at for feedback.

 

5.3      Action 020805-1 (Tom Rutt) Closed

 

Action: Tom will reserve space for wsrm TC F2f two days at OASIS symposium the last week of April.

 

Tom Reserved all of wed and Thursday April 27 and 28 in New Orleans.

 

Tom Asked for dialin, they require an 800 number.

5.4      Action 020805-2 (Tom Rutt) open

Action: Tom will investigate how to post the three OASIS pas documents on our server.

 

Jamie Clark is investigating how to get the documents on the OASIS Site.

6         Status of WS-Reliability Specification

 

The public and member web site pages for the TC to have a single announcement, which refers by URL to spec and  schema at the proper location on the OASIS web site.

http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrm/2004/06/WS-Reliability-CD1.086.pdf

http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrm/2004/06/fnp-1.1.xsd

http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrm/2004/06/reference-1.1.xsd

http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrm/2004/06/ws-reliability-1.1.xsd

http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrm/2004/06/wsrmfp-1.1.xsd

 

The spec itself still shows status a CD.

 

The chair sent an email to OASIS staff about the change, but received no response.

 

Continuing Action: Tom will investigate how to change the status of printed document.

7         Status of Interop SC activities

Nothing has happened and there are no current plans.

 

Tom stated he can take this off the agenda until there is some work to do.

 

Bob: we should determine in the future if there is future work for the Interop.

 

Bob: we could put an item on the agenda for the next call what we are going to do with the group.

 

Tom will put this on the agenda for next week.

8         Next Step Documentation

Tom Rutt posted the edited contribution from the Interop SC as:

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/download.php/11196/InteropSCfeedback.pdf

 

Comments have been requested on re-factoring this contribution into the three document types shown below.

8.1      Editorial Clarifications and Errata 

Clarifications, editorial nits, interpretations of the actual specification,

which should be posted for others to see

8.2      Implementation Guidelines / Application Notes

Things to help implementers, which, would typically be specific to application environments.

8.3      Future Enhancement Requests

Proposed changes for future versions which would ease implementation or enhance protocol capabilities.

9         Composability with other WS-Specs

 

Task force was initiated with members Jacques, Alan,  Abbie,. and Bob F.

 

Jacques have some feedback.  They have a new draft composability document which they are reviewing internally.  

 

Bob: I think it is time to circulate the document.

 

Action: Jacques will post a new composabiliity document for review by the end of this week.

10   WS-reliability PAS progression

Tom sent a mail to investigate how to post the three OASIS pas documents on our server.

 

The attached response from Jamie, is posted as:

[Fwd: Re: Can OASIS post the JTC1 Pas Papers] Tom Rutt 14 Feb 2005 12:17:58

 

    * From: James Bryce Clark <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>

    * To: tom@coastin.com

    * Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:43:31 -0800

 

     Acknowledged.  I will inquire.

     Please note that submission to an outside group like ISO is possible

but requires some OASIS management approval.   (See the liasion policy at

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/liaison_policy.php#submitwork.)   If a

TC wants to recommend this to us, it might be a good first step to have the

TC adopt a motion or such to that effect.  The criteria -- on the OASIS

side, which on a timeline would precede any ISO criteria -- are listed in

that policy as well.

     I am aware of the acute interest that some members have in ending some

OASIS work to JTC1's panels which are populated in part by those

members.  There are other parts of ISO as well, so one of the open

questions is "why JTC1"?  .  It may well be a good idea to send items to

JTC1 -- but it's not a sure thing yet, and I am hesitant to encourage

people to get ahead of the process.  Which starts by somebody proposing it

to us.  Which hasn't happened yet so far as I know.

     Should I send essentially this message to the TC as well, or is all

that already obvious to them?

     Regards  Jamie

 

Tom Rutt at 10:07 AM 2/9/2005:

>Jamie:

>The WSRM TC is discussing the possible progression of ws-reliability thru

>the OASIS pas process.

>I, since I am a member of the US national body, downloaded three JTC1

>documents using

>their password protection:

>Jtc1 N7458 -OASIS pas application

>N7617 - Summary of Ballot responses granting OASIS Pas submitter

>N7633 OASIS answers to NB comments.

>I would like to have these documents available to the wsrm tc members.

>Can you see if JTC1 secretariat will let OASIS put these papers on our

>site, or give us a public url reference for them?

>Tom Rutt

>wsrm TC chair

> 

Jeff M: there is no plan from OASIS staff on this yet.

 

Bob M: I move that we ask the OASIS staff to pursue the PAS progression of WS-reliability.  Jeff M seconded.

 

Discussion: the JTC1 study group is meeting in March.  JTC1 may have delegated recommendations to the study group.

 

Jeff: members should see about getting on that JTC1 Study group.  Don Deutch is the chair of the group.

 

No opposition, motion passed.

 

Action: tom will inform Jamie of this motion to get the ball rolling.

11   Discussion of Future Meetings

 

Tom reserved all day Wed and Thursday after the symposium for Our TC.

 

We will need to bring our own projector, the hotel will supply a screen.

 

There will be a 30 dollar a day fee for attendees (there will be a meeting registration form).

 

Jacques: change to Thursday all day, with Friday morning.

 

Tom: asked if anyone would complain.

 

Tom will ask the staff to change to all day Thursday and Friday morning.

12   New Business

 

Bob F moved to adjourn.  Jacques seconded.

 

No opposition, meeting adjourned.