Re: [wsrp-coord] Should we design in support for out-of band even ts?

[Alejandro Abdelnur <Alejandro.Abdelnur@Sun.COM>]

I subscribe to that

Alejandro

On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 10:03  AM, Tamari, Yossi wrote:

> I think the best guidance we can provide is to ignore this case, implicitly saying that we do not think it should be used...
> I agree that the _applications_ behind the portlets maybe receiving and sending OOB events, but I do not think portlets should do that. Portlets have a very clear life cycle, and in my view when they are not explicitly called by the container (and consumer) they should be dormant (in a sense they only exist during the request cycle. Between requests it's just their state that persists, just like servlets, ASP pages, etc.).
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>     Yossi.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Thompson [mailto:richt2@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:28 PM
> To: wsrp-coord@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [wsrp-coord] Should we design in support for out-of band events?
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> This is equivalent to saying that it is up to each implementation to decide how out-of-band items get reflected into the WSRP interactions. My gut instinct says this is where we will likely end up, but I think we would do a disservice to the community-at-large if we don't at least consider the implications related to out-of-band events and possibly provide some guidance.
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> Rich Thompson
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> I'm not sure we should we care about out-of-band events, unless we
> consider pushing them through WSRP calls. In other words, making them
> in-band.
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> Alejandro
>
> On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 06:19  AM, Rich Thompson wrote:
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> >
> > I think it is important when considering this question to start with
> > the realization that out-of-band events will occur. We need to
> > consider how to reflect these into the interactions between the WSRP
> > actors (Portlet, Producer, Consumer and End-User) when out-of-band
> > communication between at least some of these actors is not in place.
> >
> > To consider:
> > 1. Portlet/Producer receives an out-of-band event that may cause a
> > change in its state.
> > 2. Consumer receives an out-of-band event (i.e. not a user
> > interaction) that it wishes to distribute to various Portlets. Does
> > distributing coordination info (events or state) always result in the
> > aggregation of markup?
> > 3. User-agent receives an event. Is any communication arising from in
> > this case just a virtual user-interaction (i.e. the other WSRP actors
> > view it as a user-interaction)?
> >
> > Rich Thompson