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Subject: Re: [wsrp-interfaces] Groups - Interfaces concall modified - howto solve setting new nav state for gR

Stefan Hepper wrote:
> sorry that I missed this call due to my vacation, but I don't quite 
> understand the minutes.
> Why wouldn't it solve the problem if the portlet could migrate its 
> locally managed navState back to the consumer managed navState?
> Has a solution been discussed that would allow the portlet to explicitly 
> set the new navState via a script function?
> How about something like this:
> - the portlet issues several XHR requests via gR links to update 
> different parts of its window
> - at the end the portlet sets its new navState by calling a pre-defined 
> script method that the consumer provides (e.g. setNavigationalState) and 
> now the consumer is free to provide an implementation that stores the 
> new nav state wherever it thinks is appropriate (URLs, cookie, form 
> fields, ...)

But this state also needs to be reflected in the consumer too - not just 
the browser. Moreover, in producer containers, I don't expect portlets 
to worry about encoding nav state leave alone updating.


> Stefan
> Michael.Freedman@oracle.com wrote:
>> Interfaces concall has been modified by Mr Michael Freedman
>> Date:  Thursday, 24 August 2006
>> Time:  11:00am - 12:30pm ET
>> Event Description:
>> 1-888-967-2253 or +44 118 924 9000 (Europe)
>> meeting ID: 345337
>> passcode: 060606
>> Agenda:
>> 1) Discuss using events to manage navState/lifecyle when getResource 
>> is involved.
>> Minutes:
>> Proposed resolution:
>> Define a single event the consumer can send to the producer to 
>> indicate that a NavigationalState scope transition is occuring.  All 
>> other potential features such as sending an event to form a 
>> bookmarkableURL or providing for more efficient control via producer 
>> setting a dirty falg should/can be considered as extensions/3.0.
>> Open issues:
>> 1) We have a preference of providing some guidanace (a basic 
>> definition of) NavigationalState scope to encourage implementations 
>> beyond the null policy but couldn't express something consisely.  Is 
>> there a consise definition?
>> 2) What is the name of the event?  In choosing the name we will have 
>> to make sure to define the meaning of returning navigationalContext 
>> from the HE that receives this event makes sense.
>> Highlights of the discussion:
>> 1) The group is still split on whether its appropriate for us to 
>> address these problems.  A representative group thinks that 
>> getResource shouldn't change NavContext in a way that results in the 
>> need for a new reference.  I.e. they should only manage (at best) deltas.
>> 2) There are strong opinions that we shouldn't have overally strong 
>> conformance statements (i.e. ensure more standard consumer behavior 
>> which the producer can count on).
>> 3) Giving the producer an opportunity to migrate any navState managed 
>> by reference into the navState itself (by value) may be useful but 
>> seems secondary to the problem we are trying to address.  We feel its 
>> somethign that can be separated and potentially added independently 
>> (as an extension).
>> 4) The two opinions that were expressed concerning naming the event 
>> was for wsrp-removeNavigationalContext(Delta).  A consequence of 
>> choosing this name is that the consumer would be instructed to 
>> ignore/discard any navContext returned by the HE that received this 
>> event.
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>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrp-interfaces/event.php?event_id=12419 
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>> SUMMARY:Interfaces concall
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>>   345337\npasscode: 060606\n\nGroup: WSRP Interfaces SC\nCreator: Rich
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